My credit union -- incorrect signage

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I thought this was pretty funny:

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I saw this sign in the East Lohman branch of First Light Federal Credit Union here in Las Cruces (New Mexico).

The way I read 30-7-3, it's about carrying in liquor establishments. I have a call into the manager. I don't expect a great explanation (maybe they plan on selling liquor!). I don't know if they're too lazy to understand what they're doing, or they don't care -- and I'm not sure which is worse.

Brad
 
What is the definition of "private property" in regards to the carry laws of your state?

10.8.2.
16
F.
Carrying prohibited on private property
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In addition to other limitations stated in the act, a
licensee may not carry a concealed handgun on or about his person on private property that has signs posted
prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons or when verbally told so by a person lawfully
in possession of
the property.
10.8.2.27
Prohibiting the Carrying Of Concealed Handguns on Private Property:
Pursuant to Subsection C of NMSA 1978 Section 29
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19
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12, any person lawfully in possession of private
property may prohibit the carrying of conc
ealed handguns on such private property by posting notice in
accordance with NMSA 1978 Section 30
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14
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6 or by verbally notifying persons entering upon the property.
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I have no idea what the definition of private property is. I wouldn't say they can't restrict guns, I was just surprised they were doing it with a sign for liquor stores. Of course, I don't have to keep money there either.

I talked to Debbie Ferreira, the regional manager today (her phone number is 575-526-5981 -- Moderators -- I told her I was wanted to post her name and phone number and she said "OK"). She gave me the usual, we just don't want guns in their banks.
 
jbm said:
I have no idea what the definition of private property is. I wouldn't say they can't restrict guns, I was just surprised they were doing it with a sign for liquor stores. Of course, I don't have to keep money there either.

I talked to Debbie Ferreira, the regional manager today (her phone number is 575-526-5981 -- Moderators -- I told her I was wanted to post her name and phone number and she said "OK"). She gave me the usual, we just don't want guns in their banks.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_union said:
A credit union is a member-owned financial cooperative, democratically controlled by its members, and operated for the purpose of promoting thrift, providing credit at competitive rates, and providing other financial services to its members.
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jbm,
"We just don't want guns in their banks"? Is it against NM law to carry in a credit union? If not, it's your credit union too. You can ask where it is in the by-laws and when was it voted on by the officers. Said differently, ... you can make a stink over it.

chuck
 
No, it's not illegal to carry there -- at least it wasn't until they put the sign up. I also have the bank president's name and number and will be calling/writing.
 
kscharlie, in post #2 you listed the NM Law regarding Posting Private Property, thanks. Do you have the Legal Penalty for disobeying "Posted" private property and carrying past the sign?

The original sign in post #1 claims it is a Felony, true?

Here in MN the "Sign" carries no weight of law. It is no different than a sign saying "no shoes no shirt no service". Carrying past a sign means nothing unless the owner, manager asks you to leave. Upon being asked you must leave immediately, failure to do so can result in a $25 Trespassing charge, that's it.
 
Steve, the sign used in OP is what is typically posted in establishment that sell liquor by the drink (Bars). It is a felony in such establishments, not in others.
 
gotta chuckle--last yrs. st. pat's day celebration the local gov. made a big deal of not having concealed carry within a certain downtown area--so to solve the problem--saw a few folks open carrying--no one said anything.:rolleyes:
 
perhaps they purposely mis-did the sign so that the blissninnies would have their warm sense of righteousness and the concealed carriers could still do so.

but by you bringing the signage mistake to their attention they now may correct it --
not what you want, yes?
 
I don't think it matters what sign they put up. As soon as they put a sign up, you can't carry there.
 
sign or no sign, if they discover your concealed gun and ask you to leave,
you of course will.
 
Claude Clay said:
perhaps they purposely mis-did the sign so that the blissninnies would have their warm sense of righteousness and the concealed carriers could still do so.

but by you bringing the signage mistake to their attention they now may correct it --
not what you want, yes?
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1. They were too lazy to do any kind of research at all. They downloaded the first thing they found on the internet and had a poster printed at Wal Mart, most likely.

2. Misrepresenting that carrying past the sign as a felony will scare more people into obeying the sign. Using false intimidation to gain compliance.
 
BullSlinger said:
Steve, the sign used in OP is what is typically posted in establishment that sell liquor by the drink (Bars). It is a felony in such establishments, not in others.
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Two questions.
Is it a Felony to carry in "Bars" that have posted this sign, or is it a Felony to carry in "bars" with or without a sign. If it is illegal, sign or no sign, then the sign is actually Moot as it is not needed, correct?

In establishments/private property that do not serve alcohol and post the "Correct" gun ban sign, what is the penalty in NM for crossing a sign? As in the Credit Union, what can a person carrying in this Credit Union be charged with?
 
Bars are required by law to post the sign. I have no idea what the penalty would be for carry into the credit union when they don't want you to but I am sure it would not be a felony. BTW New Mexico is an open carry state anyplace ya want except bars, schools, court houses and a few other places that I don't recall at the moment.
 
Just don't strap your openly carried firearm to your leg - that makes you a gunslinger & is illegal (least it was when I lived there 11-12 years ago)...
 
steve4102 said:
kscharlie, in post #2 you listed the NM Law regarding Posting Private Property, thanks. Do you have the Legal Penalty for disobeying "Posted" private property and carrying past the sign?

The original sign in post #1 claims it is a Felony, true?

Here in MN the "Sign" carries no weight of law. It is no different than a sign saying "no shoes no shirt no service". Carrying past a sign means nothing unless the owner, manager asks you to leave. Upon being asked you must leave immediately, failure to do so can result in a $25 Trespassing charge, that's it.
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First disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Per the sign in New Mexico, it is a fourth degree felony to carry into a bar with the sign posted. What the penalty is, I do not know. Our laws here in Kansas are like yours in MN. The "approved sign" carries no weight of law, unless you are asked to leave and you refuse. Then you will be charged with trespassing and get a $25 fine.

Maybe the Credit Union in question is planning on installing a tap!!!
 
Looks to me like they made a very failed attempt to copy the 30.06 signage from Texas. That and the 51% sign are the only ones that carry any weight here for concealed carry. Sorry, Texas doesn't have any open carry yet.
 
My reading of NM 10.8.2.16 (see picture of smaller sign above) says that it's illegal to carry anywhere it's posted.

Brad
 
jbm said:
My reading of NM 10.8.2.16 (see picture of smaller sign above) says that it's illegal to carry anywhere it's posted.
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Yes, but what is the "Penalty" for carrying across the Credit Union sign?

No disrespect, but I'm a little surprised that the NM carry permit holders do not know what the law and consequences are.

Here is what I was given at my Permit to Carry Class and it was discussed in length.

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As I was trying to explain the credit union sign is not proper for a credit union it is a sign that is posted by establishments that sell liquor by the drink. There is no law that prohibits one from carrying open or CCW into a bank. That's why those of us living in NM are stumped.
 
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