My house is in Closing! New White Oaks Armory Service Rifle Coming to the family

[Eb1]

After selling my Colt (boo hoo) that shot 55 grainers so well. Had to due to hard times. The wife gave the go ahead to get a WOA upper on a CMMG or RRA lower. It will be a service rifle Pre-Ban. I think with the 0-800 fixed handle model. May sub the Wilson for a Kreiger barrel.

Now they offer a flat top A3 with a Service Rifle Carry handle. I might go that way, but I am a firm believer of a rifle of this stature to have as little moving parts as possible. And the fixed carry handle allows for the gun to be dropped, thrown and keep its zero. A real good reliability feature that I like. Sights are good for out to 600-800 yards without a scope. I like that.

Just thought I'd drop the good news.

 

[P-32]

Congrats. I know the wait is long but you will be pleased with the way this upper shoots. If you are planning to shoot High Power, this upper can shoot High Master scores if you do your part. I have 2 WOP service rifle uppers. One is very high milage but still shoots. My newer upper is with a Kreiger barrel and it makes no copper. I have a friend who has the WOA service rifle upper with it's wilson barrel and have seen 5 55 gr Amax's touching each other on a target at 100 yards using open sights. He went from a nothing to expert in 1 1/2 years. Course some of this time he was shooting my high milage rifle. Both of my uppers are on RRA lowers. The Kreiger upper is on a RRA NM lower with the 2 stage Giessle trigger. The high mileage upper is on a reg RRA lower and sports a WOP/WOA tuned RRA 2 stage trigger. Both rifles love 77 and 80 gr. SMK's as should yours.

 

[suzukisam]

I have quite a bit of experience with WOA barrels, I currently have two, and my bro has a couple. i have however shot many of them. a friend of mine builds ars and has actually discontinued using the krieger barrels. only because the wilsons performed as good with a smaller price tag. I have notice no benefit of the kriegers. all my wilson barrels and all that I have shot will produce half moa or better. At the range this weekend we were drawing smilly faces at 100 yrds with my .243 wilson barreled lr-243. can't hardly beat 'em. Of coarse the krieger is an awesome barrel, but I'm not sure how you shoot better than what my wilsons will.. just my two cents, many will probably disagree

 

[P-32]

Shot my first clean with a Kreiger....... When I was shooting 30's, an air gauged Douglas barrel was hard to beat while it was shooting.

I guess my question would be which one lasts longer? Wilsons or Kreiger? Back in 2007 I took the Kreiger to Camp Peery. It was a new rifle but broke in and I had zero's. At the end of the day, time to clean. My Shooters Cjhoice did not pull any copper. I made one of my shooting buddies break open a new jar of Hoppes Cooper Solvent. Still no copper.....Never saw this before....

 

[wanderinwalker]

Congrats on the new upper/rifle! It'll be a hammer and you'll shoot many fine groups.

I vote for the Wilson, if primarily the lower price tag. Some shooters I know and respect suggest the Kreiger will have up to double the service life of the Wilson, but I've also heard stories of Kreigers that wouldn't shoot. So take your pic.

My Service Rifle wears a WOA-chambered Wilson, 1-7". Mine copper fouls, though I think it carbon fouls worse (could be Varget, not sure), but it will shoot. Shot a 490-15 with it a couple of weekends ago at a LEG match, Results Here. I'm going to keep running it through next season, as I'm only around 1200 rounds on it so far and figure it should be good for 2500 or so. But they're not super expensive, which makes it easier when rebarrel time does come.

 

[Eb1]

Doh! I said "Hose" when I meant House. Thanks for look over that.

Yes, I am going to be please I am sure. Still thinking about the A3 in case I want to scope it, and then put the Service Rifle Detach Hand Guard on if needed. I use to shoot HP, and I loved it.
I would like to get back to shooting HP, but I don't know how soon I can start. New house, New kids, New Motorcycle with new friends.. Kids coming of age for school activities on the weekend. I just know I want my super accurate AR15. My Colt HBAR was by far the most accurate rifle I had ever shot. With open sights 30 round 100 yard groups the size of nickles and dimes.
I know the WOA can do that too. I also like the guys at he shop. They have worked with me on a few "I am in. Now I am out" situations through this house purchase and new child. All without a fuss. Philip said he man, we understand. Just call when you're ready, and we will set you up. Great support. Makes me want to go back to them even more.

 

[P-32]

Yeah, even the girl at the desk sounds good. I also understand the house and family thing. I've loaded all of my High Power gear on a M/C and went to a match. Bungee cords are great.

While I love riding my C-14, (red 09 Concours 14 makes me smile and I take the long way home, or I might be on the 1975 Kawasaki Z-1B 900) I still make time to shoot a match. I also sucked one of my buddies into high power and motor cycles.....rotten me.

 

[againstthagrane]

you should look at the 410 stainless uppers at bravo company before you commit

 

[Canuck-IL]

Conventional wisdom as I've discerned it is that the Wilson and Kreiger barrels are equally accurate but, given comparable loads, the K will maintain acceptable 600 yd accuracy for 1000 or more rounds longer. So the difference in initial price is probably a wash over the lifespan of several rebarrelings while maintaining SR required accuracy.

I'd take whichever from WOA that has the shortest delivery time, if there's a difference.
/Bryan

 

[P-32]

you should look at the 410 stainless uppers at bravo company before you commit

While you may suggest a good upper, they are not even in the same League. Sights on WOA or WOP are already NM with small interchangeable apertures on the back sight. The rear sight can be pinned so there is no movement. The front sight is windage adjustable. Both WOA and WOP are match ready, floated barreled uppers which shoot like a lazer beam clear out to 600 yards and beyond.

 

[againstthagrane]

While you may suggest a good upper, they are not even in the same League. Sights on WOA or WOP are already NM with small interchangeable apertures on the back sight. The rear sight can be pinned so there is no movement. The front sight is windage adjustable. Both WOA and WOP are match ready, floated barreled uppers which shoot like a lazer beam.

can you back that up with some ten shot groups?

ETA: you can put any sight on a flat top AR, so that point is moot.

and 410 SS is known to be more durable than the 416 SS that WOA uses.

Lothar Walther barreled uppers from Noveske and LaRue are also worth a look.

 

[P-32]

Don't have too.....I shoot the master class in NRA high Power. This means I can hold a little better than some others with iron sights and a sling out to 600 yards. All I care about is hits in the ten ring and X ring with shots on call, not how small the group is. I can tell how a rifle or ammo is prforming by score results. You will need good equipment to get there.The folks you mention may be good but they are not used in the high power circles. We use what works for our game.

 

[againstthagrane]

Wouldn't it stand to reason that a rifle that can hold .75 MOA would also be good for high-power? Or are there rules I'm unaware of?

 

[P-32]

And even maybe a little looser. I have 1/4 X 1/4 MOA iron sights on both of my WOP uppers and they can use them. Could get away with 1/2 X 1/2 MOA sights. Difference is 1.5 in vs 3 in at 600 yards per click. With the 1/4 moa sights I can be a bit braver on the wind shifts and I might even get away with it.

Not to throw rocks, but I have a Daisy 747 air pistol with a Lothar Walther barrel. I wish the trigger was better. But it's good cheap practice.

 

[Eb1]

I'm committed. I have shot the WOA uppers before in comp. I like them. It is what I want. It is what I am getting.

 

[P-32]

Again, congrats. Now for the never ending wait.

Sorry I got sucked onto the debait with some of the others. If you are going to build a lower for your new upper, I found WOA had about the best price on the lower parts kit and butt stock. And you know they don't sell no junk.....

I got an extremly tight fit between a RRA NM lower and the newer upper. Not so tight of a fit with a standard RRA lower and the old lower. (can't fit in a acu wedge though) For awhile I was just swapping the lower between uppers, then the price of lowers came down so I got one for the old upper. If you have a friendly gun shop, I might ask if you could slip some pins in and see how tight a reciever is on the upper untill you found a tighter fitting one.