my limited edition CZ75D

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I had to show off...

A decocker version of an all steel compact CZ75. it has mepro's new springs and a was taken care of to bring a butter smooth triger and action.
I had to get the all steel version because I use. +p+ 127 ranger as a civilian difencive round and UZI SMG ammo when called on reserves.

there was a limited run during 99-00 and I just had to get me one of those
 
Sweet! But I didn't realize we weren't supposed to shoot +P+ from the P01/PCR. I thought they had a minimum service life of like 15,000 rounds of +P ammo so I'd imagine in the real world, they'd go well beyond that.

By the way, exactly what did you use for your background on the picture there?
 
Actually, the P-01 is rated for NATO spec ammuntion. They even have
NATO numbers on them. NATO isn't saami rated like +P or +P+ is .

Some folks in S. Africa run a steady diet of the RANGER load thru CZs.
Winchester is not restricted to LEO ONLY there. WIn and Cor-Bon
advertise in the only gun magazine: MAN MAGNUM.

I know some streetwise cops who carry +P+ Rangers and a mix of
Rangers and PMP hardball as backups. Some have opted for the
dynamic Sentry round, as it is authorizee for duty use there.

The Steel framed Compact is a great gun. Nice to see a fellow CZ
owner in the Middle-East. Israeli Police and Egyptian Police have
long been CZ users.
 

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the background??? it's was placed on a wenger (Swiss army knife) backpack for laptops, it's nothing special (unlike the pistol:D :D :D ). I got no digital camera so a friend took the picture while we were in a range to relax after a crazy accounting test.

my first choice would have been a p228 that I had during my time in the army (now I'm wrecking my academic scores with reserve duties) even though it's alloy. but a lack of liquid assets made me look for an alternative (which turned out for the best)

I've seen pistols constantly falling apart by a regular diet of +p+ and SMG ammo, I don't have a pistol smith around me at all time and reliability is most important thing to me.

from my experience glocks are not the what the where made out to be. I have seen some of them jam without a reason-> FTE, FTF. plus I can't stand plastic guns and having no hammer.

when the CZ was bought it was sent to have all the contact surfaces polished and the trigger was smoothed. More then 3K rounds later I can proudly say that didn't jam once. At one time 250 rounds were shot over a period of 5 days in an exercise in the desert without being cleaned :eek: :eek: and it worked perfectly. M4's were jamming, glocks and sig's jammed as well. at the end of all that I managed to convert a few to CZ.
 
Ahhhh, my Holy Grail of CZs.....the steel frame decocker Compact.....I have seen one, and unfortunately had to sell it - well, I was working at a gun shop, and the girl did have it on layaway....dagnabbit.
Nice, very nice, sir. :cool:
 
Nowdays, SIGs feel really chunky in my hands. After owning CZs for so many years., nothing is comparable. BHPs have a nice backstrap and
point well, just feel too small in all areas when compard to a Cee-Zed.
 
Whoa! How many of those steel 75D's made it to the States???

What distiguishes the alloy PCR from the steel one (visually)?

Does it have a different SKU# (order/part number)? Markings?

How can one tell?
 
What distiguishes the alloy PCR from the steel one (visually)?

Off hand, the dust cover on the steel one has a place that is curved in towards the barrel as opposed to the allow frame which is flatter.


clipse
 
Hey Clipse! How's it goin' buddy?

Anyways - How do ya know about the dust cover differences? Do you have pics? If so, couldja e-mail 'em to me please? Or have you handled one?

I'm quite intrigued by this all steel PCR!
 
steel CZ75D:
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Look at the frame... the area above the grip, look at the dust cover, the end of the slide, the ungrooved grip and the mag release.


There are other differences not clearly visible on pictures

It came with FLAT magazine brake so the magazines are free dropping, the magazines are obviously full capacity (14 rounds), They have a high visibility red follower, it's useful for combat shooting and self defense because it allows for an immediate identification of an empty mag, There is also a thick rubber bottom to the magazine so they won't get hurt by aggressive mag change training.
 
Gary,

I'm doin great. How are you?

The visable differences between the steel and allow framed decockers are the same between the regular compact 75B and the PCR. Essentially the steel framed decocker has the same frame as the 75B with the manual safety.


clipse
 
it's useful for combat shooting and self defense because it allows for an immediate identification of an empty mag...
I don't think that explanation for the use of a "red" followers explains why they're red.

You'd know more quickly about a mag's "status" by FEEL (weight) and/or TOUCH -- feeling the end of the mag -- than by LOOKING for the follower or top-most round.

Besides, it could sensibly be argued that a shooter ought NOT be looking at mags; if he or she can't determine may status by FEEL, you're not really going to improve your overall situation by having to look away from a threat to resolve it.
 
When your slide is locked back and you need to look inside the pistol it's much faster to asses the situation with a colored follower inside a black pistol. I know it's mostly there because it's "tactical" but now there are bright yellow followers available for all kind of mag's.

While shooting IDPA or IPSC it's not that complicated to count the bullets you shoot but in a real life incident you will find yourself with a locked slide and you will have to find a way to be the first one that sends a bullet to his target.

Under stress every little thing helps; having tracers as the last 5 rounds in a rifle mag so you will have another indication, not using the so called safety(sometimes your enemy is safer because of it), using big bright sights and not the "sport" sights.

Not everything "tactical" is good for self defense, if the only thing you need to be worried about is criminals I would use a bright colored weapon and not a matte black one because it would be more noticeable and maybe more fear-provoking, that way you might not be forced to use lethal force.
 
Clipse said:
Essentially the steel framed decocker has the same frame as the 75B with the manual safety.

OK - Walt Sherrill . . . . . Can any all steel compact be made a decocker by simply switching a few guts???:confused:
 
We've asked Mike Eagleshield about converting non-decocker guns to decocker, and vice versa. For guns that have the same size frames -- and the guns we're talking about have versions with decockers that have the same frames -- its apparently possible. But very expensive. The parts are expensive, and the gunsmith labor would be expensive, too.

To do this with another model, recently, Mike quoted a price of about $300...

I don't like decockers much, and I SURE don't like'em enough to pay almost the price of the gun to upgrade / or downgrade...

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With regard to colored followers.

Red is a bad color for those who are color blind, and it sure wouldn't show up well in low-light conditions, even if you weren't color-blind.

And, if I had a slide lock back, and I had already fired several rounds, I'd be doing a slide-lock reload in the kind of situation described. If there was any question about rounds remaining, I'd hang onto the prior mag.

If I had fired only one or two rounds, I'd "slingshot" or release the slide and try to continue. (Its not a jam, but a TAP RACK BANG drill would also work.)

I would think that SPEED is critical in such a situation -- staying engaged -- and it would seemt that looking inside the lockwork is not a good thing to do.

Tracers?

Are you serious?

If you could find them, you'd probably also find that 1) they're not good self-defense rounds, 2) they may be fire hazards if they function as tracers, and 3) they may or may not function well in your weapon.

They won't even work up close and personal, where most of handgun action takes place.

An extra mag and practice changing the mags makes a lot more sense than anything you've described.
 
Yeah, I was following the 'Have Mike build you a steel framed PCR' thread over on the CZ Forum... seems kinda steep, but I'd imagine you'd end up with a very well-fitted gun. I'd be interested in having my alloy PCR converted to DAO if the DAO trigger could get down a bit lighter than the standard (but very well worn) double action trigger CZs typically have.

I think a PCR (or P-01) with a DAO action with about a 5# to 6# long but smooth pull and a bit front night sight like the Ashley (or whatever they are called now) would be the cat's meow as far as non 1911 carry guns go... Maybe with the slide stop cut and recessed on the left side and lose the decocker to make the gun even trimmer overall.

I'd pay another $300 for that gun. ;)
 
Oogee - Thanks for posting the picture - WOW, what a nice looking gun.
I just checked to see if it was allowed in Cali - indeed it is. It's high up on
my "first gun buyers list".

Best, ab
 
Uhm, Walt.....I think he was referring to having tracer rounds in a RIFLE mag, not in his mags for a handgun.
Yup. You're right. Tracers in a RIFLE Mag. My mistake.

The good thing about tracers is that they show where rounds are going, and in this case, when you're about to run out. The bad thing about tracers is that they show the other guy WHERE you are.
 
tracers...

just a small addition .. in a real life situation of combat, just keep in mind that a Murphy rule applies... tracers work both ways.. and for CZ-75 series, i have never been disappointed even at ranges upto 100 meters...
;)
 
In an open warfare scenario in which a high number of guns are firing there will be such a mayhem that your tracers will be "left out" of al the action because all the grenades, mortar shells RPG's and what ever someone might carry. because you are the source of the tracers you will be the first to notice them.

This method is not perfect and is not used in when you are trying to surprise someone or work in a covert way. Another drawback is that tracers have a different ballistic characteristic than those of standard bullets, when used for a longer rage you will only hit with the type off bullets that your sites are zeroed on.

This thread was about CZ75 and now we are talking about tracers.




JANDARMA, I would really like to learn how you can use a pistol effectively at a range of 100 meters
 
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