My new Noveske "Recce" and an optics question..

[JesseTX]

I have a Noveske Recce now and was hoping to get some opinions from some of you rifle experts on an optic for it. I currently own an EOTech 512 that I've never used that I think I'll probably be selling. I had previously bought the EOTech thinking it was right for me but then bought this Recce because I wanted to do some longer range stuff.

I've looked at the Trijicon ACOGs. They're obviously pretty expensive and I'm not sure if that's really what's right for me. I know this isn't an SPR build but I'd love to have something that's accurate to several hundred yards.

Would the ACOG be perfect for this or should I be looking at something like the Accupoints? What are the real differences between the two? Sorry, I'm a total newbie in regards to this topic.

And of course I have to post a couple of pics. I'm shameless.

 

[Wayne G.]

I have a Millet DMS-1 on my LMT and couldn't be happier. Features 1-4 x 24 with 12 MOA donut with a 1 MOA dot inside the donut. Has 11 power settings (glows red) and with the power setting turned off or if you have a dead battery, the reticle is still visible (black).

Here's a link.
http://www.bigrivertactical.com/catalog/item/4193480/4454996.htm#image_1

Here's a link with detailed pictures and user experience (Half-way down page 1):
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=326527&page=1

Mine is mounted on a Larue SPR-E which works nicely.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Nice rifle to be sure! The main differences between the ACOGs and Accupoint is that the ACOGs are fixed power, more rugged, and have a ranging reticle built in.

The Accupoints are variable power and have a triangle reticle; but are very handy in the 0-300yd range (as long as the target isn't so tiny that the triangle hides it at longer ranges).

I've got a very similar rifle in concept and it wears a TA11 ACOG. If I was doing it all over again, my choice would probably be the TA11F or a nice 1-4x variable like the Nightforce or Schmidt & Bender.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

VERY nice rifle buddy!

What is 'several' hundred yards?

Dr. Roberts already answered your questions about the difference in an ACOG and Accupoint, so no reason to be a broken record.

My CAR 15 wears a TA31F and it is plenty of scope to be accurate out to 'several' hundred yards...It's no sniper scope, but unless you are trying to snipe a field mouse at 300 yards I think you'll be fine.

 

[JesseTX]

Joe, I'd be thrilled with good accuracy a 300 yards and a scope that would help me accomplish that.

Sorry I wasn't trying to be vague with my "several."

 

[bratch]

Are you wanting "target" accuracy or "practical" accuracy?

 

[JesseTX]

bratch, a little bit of both, i guess. would an acog not be appropriate for one or the other?

 

[bratch]

In my opinion an ACOG excels at practical accuracy. I would think at 300 yards for really small groups you'd want abit more power than 4x. Hopefully Zak Smith will be along to share his opinion as he has alot of time with the ACOG. I think I remember Zak talking about shooting 2 MOA targets out aways with an ACOG.

That said I'll eventually get an ACOG for a 6.8 hunting rifle.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Yeah, the ACOG is definitely one of(if not the) best for 'practical' accuracy, but 'target' accuracy at 300 yards is going to be difficult to achieve without more power.

If the majority of your shots are going to be taken at several hundred yards, then a scope may be better, but if you are going to be mainly shooting between 0-~200 yards I recommend an ACOG.

 

[Zak Smith]

I agree with the comments so far. The ACOG is a great "practical" optic, but not the right tool for shooting very small targets.

The smallest targets I've been able to shoot beyond 300 yards with an ACOG are about 2 MOA in size. This is not a limitation of its accuracy per se, but in obtaining a sight picture with regard to magnification and reticle features vs. holdover points.

-z