My province won't let the gun ban happen

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Lucky

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Luckily our province is still resisting long-gun registration, no way in hell they would voluntarily sign-on to banning handguns.

Turns out that the proposed ban would have provinces 'signing on'. You can bet dollars to doughnuts that the Feds will still want us to PAY for stupid provinces that want to ban guns, though.

Plus I've been busy, several letters to editors, supportive letters to some politicians, un-supportive to the god damned Liberals.

Funny thing, one definition of liberal is 'not authoritarian', LOL. Banning handguns to stop crime is like banning makeup to stop prostitution.
 
Lucky - don't think for a minute that the liberals won't turn around and force this ban upon you. They are trying to "divide and conquer" the pro-gunners by throwing them sops like the opt-in idea and free registration for long guns. All of these are smoke and mirrors to let them get back in power. As soon as they have it, kiss your guns goodbye.

We need to fight this as hard as we can! :cuss: :banghead:
 
Hey, our province will be Liberal Free in a few weeks, no worries. Toronto is a, a, well it's not a nice place. They want to torture themselves, let them. It's their province, this is mine, and firearm rules DO belong in the provincial realm.

Plus, they aren't going to get back into power. Soon as the election is over it's the Seperatists who are going to be in power, and I'm starting to sympathize with their cause. They have to live right beside Ontario, that must suck.
 
I totally sympathize with you guys. I am an american living in Canada. I was so pissed when I read that they were talking about banning handguns. So senseless. And it seems like much of the populace (at least in BC) doesn't care.

Basically I just hear -Why would I want a handgun? I would be scared if someone had one.

I wonder if there is a way to give them some positive exposure... let the populace know that they aren't morally evil, rather a tool.
 
More on this:

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/Ne..._01_SIB854768_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-POLITICS-COL.XML

Liberals promise total ban on handguns

Thu Dec 8, 2005 10:13 AM EST

TORONTO (Reuters) - Liberals, under pressure to clamp down on gun violence in big cities, will move to impose a total ban on all handguns if they win the January 23 election, Prime Minister Paul Martin said on Thursday.

Canada already has extremely restrictive firearms legislation, but under the Liberal proposal only police and some security officers would be allowed to carry handguns.

So far this year some 50 young men -- most of them black -- have been shot dead in Toronto. Some government officials have blamed the problem in part on smuggling of handguns from neighboring United States.

"I've come to the conclusion that significant change is needed. I've come to the conclusion that we should ban handguns," Martin told a rally in one of the most violent areas of Toronto.

Apart from law and order officers, only target shooters and collectors are currently allowed to own handguns. Martin said there would be a narrow exemption for target shooters but gave no further details.

Martin said Canada would increase the number of police on the borders to try to cut down on smuggling and would bring in stiffer penalties for people who used guns during crimes.

The question of gun control is a tricky one for the Liberals, whose attempt to compile a register of rifles and shotguns in the mid-1990s spiraled out of control. The registry, which was originally designed to break even, has so far cost more than C$2 billion.

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
 
So far this year some 50 young men -- most of them black -- have been shot dead in Toronto. Some government officials have blamed the problem in part on smuggling of handguns from neighboring United States.
I guess it's time to disarm those uppity Blacks. They're too "hot blooded" to be trusted with firearms, ya know. :banghead: They just won't say it that way, though, but that is the goal.

Here in the U.S., we have the "Saturday Night Special" laws which are designed to disarm minorities. Canada simply goes after the whole pie at once.
 
The Liberals up in Canada are in deeper than ever.

http://www.theinfozone.net

The Finance Minister is embroiled in a leak of confidential information scandal.

He is also issuing emails saying the gun ban plan will not happen.

A copy of the email is on the site.


TIZ
 
women's makeup is a multi-billion dollar a year industry

Shooting sports industry, some figures.

From 2003 to 2004, sales of hunting and shooting products surged 8% to $2.9 billion. http://www.usatoday.com/money/2005-11-30-hunt-fish_x.htm

Total 2003 revenues for long guns, handguns and ammunition is $2.3 Billion
http://www.nssf.org/IndustryResearch/FAQ-ans.cfm?Qno=01&AoI=generic

Then you have to figure in all the other neat stuff.

About 4.3 million women are shooters.

It ain't about peace, it's about control. You can escape to California where we are still free to do as we wish with permission.

Vick
 
http://www.theinfozone.net/

December 10 2005
Canada's Liberals Handgun Ban a Smoke and Mirrors Effort?
The Liberal announcement of a handgun ban appears to have run into a problem.


Ralph Goodale
Liberal Minister of Finance, Ralph Goodale, embroiled in a growing scandal himself, is telling his constituents that the proposed ban won't be enforced anyhow.

Goodale .pdf of email
The Minister of Finance seems to be mired in a deepening controversy over an announcement Goodale made which changed the taxation rules for income trusts in Canada.

CTV News reported, "Goodale has insisted all along that no advance word came from his office. "The Finance Department is very meticulous about these matters," he said Tuesday. "There was no specific advance notice whatsoever."

"But a representative of Canada's most influential seniors' lobby group says he got a phone call on the morning of Nov. 23, several hours before the markets closed, and before Goodale made his announcement."

"Protocol is that a finance minister never gives word of a policy change while the markets are still open."

"The day they made the announcement they phoned us and said something is going to be said," the associate executive director of Canada's Association for the Fifty Plus, William Gleberzon, told CTV News."

"Gleberzon said the call came from a senior policy advisor in the finance minister's office."

Former Liberal strategist, Warren Kinsella writes on his highly popular and controversial blog, "There can't be much doubt, now, that Ralph Goodale's office disclosed confidential information - and that, in the hands of unscrupulous investors, millions of dollars could be made with that kind of information before the markets closed on November 23, 2005. As is well-known in the Liberal Party of Canada (LPC), a recent campaign for Laurier Club donations went precisely nowhere (cf. the big Laurier Club event with the Prime Minister on November 10 at the Arcadian Court was supposed to see 1000 new members attend and raise $1 million - and it, um, did not )."

Kinsella continues, "What is less known, however, is this: was there a surge in Bay Streeter donations to the LPC in the immediate aftermath of the income trust leak and volte face? Were some investors who benefited from the tax change then immediately hit up by LPC canvassers, perchance?"

This news comes as polling results show Liberal support in southwestern Ontario starting to fall, as the Conservatives have gained nine points in the latest poll.


Paul Martin
Paul Martin had to delay his announcement banning handguns because the bus following the Liberal leader's bus got lost on the way to the announcement. There is apt symbolism in the Prime Minister's tour getting lost. This decision by the Prime Minister that is not likely to reduce the growing problems with gangs and guns in Canadian cities.

If the goal were to actually reduce crime, this announcement will fail. This plan is not likely to disarm the gang members and drug dealers who have shot and killed over 50 people in Toronto this year.

Confiscating the legally-owned property of law abiding Canadian firearms owners does not disarm criminals.

Great Britain banned handguns in 1997. The BBC reported in 2001, that "A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned."

Hardly the effect the British government promised their citizens.

To make an impact, Paul Martin should confiscate the illegal handguns used by criminals, not those owned by law-abiding Canadians. This move will not affect the criminal use of illegal handguns by gang members. This move will punish hundreds of thousands of of law-abiding Canadians for the misdeeds of local criminal gang members who don't obey any laws.

On CTV Television immediately following the announcement, the sister of a man shot down in the streets of Toronto was interviewed. When asked if this announcement would make a difference or if it was just politics, she replied that is was just politics.

This announcement breaks promises made to Canadian gun owners made by the Liberal govenment. "The Firearms Act is about licensing and registration, not confiscation," is what then Justice Minister, now Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan said in 1998.

The Liberal government is addressing the escalation of gun violence in Canadian cities by proposing an immediate ban on handguns as part of a five-part strategy to make our communities safer, Prime Minister Paul Martin announced in Toronto today.

“We do not accept the threat these weapons pose to Canadians,” said the Prime Minister. “To make our communities safer we should ban handguns outright.”

The Canada Handgun Ban is part of the Liberal government’s comprehensive effort to make communities across this country safer.

This plan would include federal legislation that would enable provinces and territories to legally prohibit handguns within their borders. It would toughen penalties for gun crimes, help eliminate the supply of illegal handguns, and increase protection for communities across the country.

Prime Minister Martin’s five-part strategy to ban handguns and make safer communities would include:

Banning handguns through an amendment to the criminal code that would invite provinces and territories to participate to make the ban national; an amnesty and buy-back program to collect existing handguns; and a national Gunstoppers Program to provide financial rewards for information leading to removing an illegal gun from the street.


Toughening penalties by re-introducing legislation to crack down on violent crimes and gang violence, by doubling the mandatory minimum sentences for key gun crimes.


Waiving re-licensing fees for owners of long guns in order to encourage full compliance with the Canada Firearms Program.


Encouraging community-based action by intensifying prevention efforts. This would include a $50-million Gun Violence and Gang Prevention Fund to focus on youth at risk and continued investment in skills development programs to engage young people in the workforce.


Investing in law enforcement, including $225 million over five years for an RCMP Advanced Community Safety and Rapid Enforcement Team, $10 million a year for 10 years to increase the number of graduating RCMP officers, $50 million over five years for a Rural Community Safety Plan to provide resources for crime prevention initiatives in communities with less that 100,000 residents, and investments to stem the illegal smuggling of firearms into Canada.
Legitimate target shooters who meet requirements would be eligible for an exemption to the handgun ban.

“Supporting a handgun ban in Canada is a statement of principle, but it is also a statement of purpose,” said the Prime Minister. By banning handguns and enforcing a comprehensive policing efforts, the Liberal government will get these dangerous weapons off our streets and help to stop gun crime.
 
halfgone said:
I totally sympathize with you guys. I am an american living in Canada. I was so pissed when I read that they were talking about banning handguns. So senseless. And it seems like much of the populace (at least in BC) doesn't care.

Basically I just hear -Why would I want a handgun? I would be scared if someone had one.

I wonder if there is a way to give them some positive exposure... let the populace know that they aren't morally evil, rather a tool.


As a former BC resident I can agree with you on one thing, BC doesn't care...I doubt I'd ever move back to BC, if I had to move back to Canada, I'd head for Alberta.

Alberta sits in a pretty good position, no provincial debt, and they have a LOT of oil... Turn off the spigots and cash flow to Ontario and start buying their debt...eventually they will have to move parliament to AB...

What will Ontario do, you already have CFB Cold Lake and a majority of Land based forces... It's not like they could use any forcefull means to intervene in Alberta if things got dicey!
 
Good for you. Bret Hart is from Calgary, so I'm glad to see your area is "fighting the good fight".
 
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