My retort to a plea for "peace" and to "stop the war"...

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I recieved this email from a friend, who is just a *bit* liberal:


US Congress has authorized the President to go to war against Iraq.
Please consider this an urgent request. UN Petition for
Peace. Stand for Peace.

Islam is not the Enemy. War is NOT the Answer.

Today we are at a point of imbalance in the world and are moving toward what may be the beginning of a THIRD WORLD WAR. If you are against this possibility, the UN is gathering signatures in an effort to avoid a tragic world event. Please COPY (rather than Forward) this e-mail in a new message, sign at the end of the list, and send it to all the people whom you know.

If you receive this list with more than 500 names signed, please send a copy of
the message to: [email protected] & [email protected] Even if you
decide not to sign, please consider forwarding the petition on
instead of eliminating it.

(NO, I obviously don't think its a legit "petition" at all, but I just wanted to poke the people on my buddy's mailing list with a stick... :evil: )

My reply:

"US Congress has authorized the President to go to war against Iraq.
Please consider this an urgent request. UN Petition for Peace. Stand for Peace."

I stand for peace, as does the US. Saddam does not, nor do the terrorists he supports and harbors.

"Islam is not the Enemy."

You are right!!! It wasn't a group of fundamental Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11/01, it was a bunch of Southern Baptists!

"War is NOT the Answer."

"War isn't the answer"??? Saddam has willingly, knowingly, and grossly violated numerous disarmament treaties he agreed to between him and the US and also the UN.

He continues to do so. He instructs his people to decieve UN inspectors, and refuses to cooperate.

This is "diplomacy."

IT HAS FAILED.

If war is not the answer, what is? Are we supposed to ask him, "Please, Mr. Saddam, pretty-pretty-please with a cherry and sugar on top, PLEASE give us your nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, oh kind dictator sir." (YES, we are talking about the same weapons that Saddam has used on HIS OWN PEOPLE.)

Is that what you think will work?

I ask you all: If diplomacy fails, what is our other option, if not war?

You chant how war is not the answer, yet you offer no solutions of your own.


"Today we are at a point of imbalance in the world and are moving toward what may be the beginning of a THIRD WORLD WAR. If you are against this possibility, the UN is gathering signatures in an effort to avoid a tragic world event."

1) When has the world ever been "balanced"? What does that mean, anyway?

2) The beginning of a "Third World War" is pure speculation and opinion, a misleading emotional appeal, and grossly uninformed at that. We can crush Saddam's forces easily.

Most people just don't seem to understand that sometimes, in order to preserve peace and freedom, blood must be shed. We won our peace and freedom in this country by bloodshed. And from time to time, it is with more blood that we will continue to keep our peace and freedom.

Some people (like Saddam and Osama) do not respond to reason and diplomacy. They only understand force.


Some quotes that I think are salient and interesting: (Think about these for a while, please)


"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue - and thoroughly immoral doctrine that 'violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."



-Robert A. Heinlein


"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men
stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-George Orwell


"The tree of liberty only grows when watered by the blood of tyrants."
-Bertrand Barère de Vieuzac (1755–1841)


War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest thing. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war is worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing about which he cares more than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

- John Stuart Mill c. 1775



"That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him Depart...
We would not die in that man's company
that fears his fellowship to die with us."
- W. Shakespeare, Henry V
 
Great!

I suspect it will be water on wax, though. Cogent arguments and solid reasoning cannot argue with a mind entrenched behind the walls of emotionally-driven thinking. Reality has little influence on the mindset of "Wishing makes it so." Rose-colored blinders? This is similar to the type that volunteers to be human shields for the enemy, correct?

Just watch. If we're unfortunate enough to sustain another successful terrorist/enemy attack on American soil, these people are liable to go catatonic. "Frozen in the headlights of intruding reality", as it were.

That'd make 'em easy to round up, though, wouldn't it? Hey, I can dream...;)
 
"Islam is not the Enemy."

You are right!!! It wasn't a group of fundamental Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 9/11/01, it was a bunch of Southern Baptists!
Islam is not (or, more accurately, should not be) the enemy. In fact, if you are trying to fight the religion, you're giving them exactly what they want ... oppression.
It is the militants of any religion or non-religion that wishes to enforce their beliefs on others through force that are the problem ... something that most major religions or anti-religions have a rather exstensive history of doing. Watch what you call the kettle.
"War is NOT the Answer."

"War isn't the answer"??? Saddam has willingly, knowingly, and grossly violated numerous disarmament treaties he agreed to between him and the US and also the UN.
As always, it depends on the question. Seems like a dandy answer to the question "what is the quickest way to get rid of Saddam?"
2) The beginning of a "Third World War" is pure speculation and opinion, a misleading emotional appeal, and grossly uninformed at that. We can crush Saddam's forces easily.
The idea behind "World War" is that many nations become involved on both sides. Sure, we can smash the Republican Guard with no problem, but what happens if a half-dozen other nations decide to try to teach us a lesson? What if one of those nations is China?
I'm not saying that this is likely, merely that you are making a strawman argument.
 
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