My suggestion

[The Janitor]

In India and quite a few Middle Eastern countries, thieves get one of their hands chopped off if they are caught stealing. Probably because these countries don't have money to waste keeping people caged up, and they figure chopping off a hand should get the point across. In many other places, it is customary to relieve rapists of their genitals.

Here in America, when somebody commits a violent gun crime, why not chop off their trigger finger?

Maybe I sound harsh. Maybe it is cruel and unusual. But I'd prefer cruel and unusual over idiotic and inefficient. Rather than waste hundreds of thousands of tax dollars per prisoner keeping them incarcerated up for a gun crime, chop off their damn finger right there in the court room with a pair of bolt cutters, and utilize the money to provide a few scholarships to people who aren't oxygen wasters. :banghead:

 

[H088]

Why don't we just burn people while were at it..................

 

[Solo]

And if they turn out to be wrongly convicted, do we re-attatch the severed portion?

 

[The Janitor]

Why don't we just burn people while were at it..................

For arson crimes? Brilliant!

 

[JWarren]

The Janitor,


Have you kept yourself abreast of the number of people who have been convicted of rape in this country and have been cleared due to DNA evidence?

What would you have cut off with those guys?

And how would you reconcile your being wrong?


I'm no bleeding heart that believes we have prisons full of innocent people, but the issue with mis-convicted rape crimes has shed quite a bit of doubt on things for me.

For that reason, I have shyed away from my support for the death penalty except in extreme and completely unambiguous cases.


-- John

 

[Vermont]

Maybe it is cruel and unusual. But I'd prefer cruel and unusual over idiotic and inefficient

Before we start throwing ammendments out of the Bill of Rights, let's think about it for a minute...

 

[The Janitor]

The Janitor,


Have you kept yourself abreast of the number of people who have been convicted of rape in this country and have been cleared due to DNA evidence?

What would you have cut off with those guys?

And how would you reconcile your being wrong?


I'm no bleeding heart that believes we have prisons full of innocent people, but the issue with mis-convicted rape crimes has shed quite a bit of doubt on things for me.

For that reason, I have shyed away from my support for the death penalty except in extreme and completely unambiguous cases.


-- John

Rape is a different matter altogether. For one, it's pretty hard to narrow down any leads when all you have is a vague physical description and a motive. "A horny man, somewhere between the height of 5'8" and 6'". There are rarely witnesses to the rape, and the only likely way to prove it is through DNA comparison, or if the rapist openly admits to it.

For gun crimes(especially those which are spur-of-the-moment, irrational/desperate/drugged out shootings), you will probably have witnesses, and lots of evidence. Especially nowdays, when everybody owns a cellphone with a camera, and the things that can be proven with forensics combined with regular detective work.

None of this, "He says you shot him 3 times, though he can produce no proof of bullet injuries, but he seems really really upset, so we're going to charge you with battery anyways."


Dismemberment should only be conducted when very convincing evidence is available, no doubt about it. That in mind, would you still support this as a form of punishment?

 

[230RN]

Nope.

Why don't you take it to APS? This is The High Road.

 

[Siderite]

I rather like my Bill of Rights intact.

 

[Wheeler44]

Dismemberment should only be conducted when very convincing evidence is available, no doubt about it. That in mind, would you still support this as a form of punishment?

No matter how you phrase it, dismemberment is still considered cruel and unusual, as it should be.

 

[The Janitor]

No matter how you phrase it, dismemberment is still considered cruel and unusual, as it should be.

To hell with that. Look at the big picture. The prison system is an ineffective waste of dollars and resources. It's a fallacy of not very well thought out psuedo-eutopian ideals. It pisses me off that they can so non-chalantly throw the word "Justice" around with a straight face.

 

[Wheeler44]

To @#$$ with that. Look at the big picture.

How many of your rights are you willing to give up?

It's a fallacy of not very well thought out psuedo-eutopian ideals.

that are brought to you by the makers of the......

BILL OF RIGHTS....

It &%$&$ me off that they can so non-chalantly throw the word "Justice" around with a straight face.

I am sure that yesterdays Supreme Court ruling upset Sarah Brady and more of her ilk, however our rights as guaranteed by the bill of rights are still intact...

To quote the bumper sticker "America...love it or leave it..." that saying has some relevance here.
If you want to live in a world of cruel punishment, you should make that a priority.

Oh, and please clean up the language, this is a family site.

Wheeler44

 

[NeoSpud]

+1 Wheeler

Also, cutting off the trigger finger wouldn't really accomplish anything. Hasn't Sniper 2 with Tom Berenger taught you that you can just as easily adapt to use your middle finger? Not to mention that Moisin and Mauser are interchageable synonyms...