mystery shotgun

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  1. TRX

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    I have a 12 gauge shotgun that is missing the trigger and trigger pin. I can't find anything on it other than a 5-digit (serial?) number on the tang.

    Can anyone identify this thing, and maybe suggest where I could purchase the missing parts?

    note: the hammer and hammer pin are just stuck outside to show their position in relation to the trigger; the hammer goes inside when properly assembled
     

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  2. BEARMAN

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    Starting with so little and rebuilding it part by part,in my opinion is not the way to go, you will end up with a whole bunch of parts that looked like they would fit and didn't. You don't know what it is ,and even if any parts are available. My suggestion , is clean it up and take it with you to pawn shops and gun shows and see if any of the many hundreds of styles of single shot shotguns out there, are the same as your frame. Then buy that shotgun because you will need most of the parts and either use your frame as a parts source for it or if it has sentimental value use the gun you bought to rebuild your frame. What you have is like saying " I have an unknown car frame and I want to build a car that will work" yes it can be done but it usually is expensive and in this case when you are finished you will have a single shot shotgun worth about $50 , if that. I have done what you are proposing but I did it with a commonly available brand that didn't have many changes it its production run, so when I found a part it usually fit. After rereading your post, if all you need is a trigger and pin. Reassemble the gun so we can see the shape of the stock and foreend, also look very closely at the barrel, sometimes a name was on the barrel. But packing the frame to gun shows is the way you are going to find parts. Pins can be made out of drill stock of the right diameter.
     
  3. TRX

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    Eh? It needs a trigger and a pin. I can make the pin if I have to. All the rest of the gun is just fine. Making a trigger without a pattern to work from would involve a lot of measurement, guesswork, filing, and likely profanity; it would be simpler to buy one.

    >when you are finished you will have a single shot shotgun worth
    >about $50

    It's a family heirloom with an interesting history, so "worth" isn't really a factor.

    >Reassemble the gun so we can see the shape of the stock and
    >foreend, also look very closely at the barrel, sometimes a name
    >was on the barrel.

    That would not be greatly useful; the stock, forend, and barrel have been drastically altered from their original forms. There's no writing on the barrel.

    It uses a single V-shaped spring, the hammer and trigger operate without a separate sear, and the stock tang seems to be unusual; at least, there's nothing in my gun-disassembly books even remotely close.

    > I have an unknown car frame and I want to build a car that
    > will work

    Possible, but it's simpler to start from scratch. Did the front and rear suspension, too.

    http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/cars/ron7/0502/ron7c.htm
     
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    Nice job!
     
  5. CYANIDEGENOCIDE

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    Easy! its a USARMS Co.
    I don't know the year, I don't know where you can get parts. The barrel should have something like "genuine armory steel" stamped across the top.

    I just know this because I stripped one apart last weekend. That one was a 16 ga
     
  6. TRX

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    That's it! And thank you very much. Only took a minute to find one on Google once I knew what to look for.

    [snip]
    Help! As far as I know, U.S. Arms Co. never made shotguns but Dave Ceratti has one. It's a 12 gauge shotgun with serial number 232425. [...]

    left side
    right side
    markings
    barrel opened for loading

    It seems that these shotguns were manufactured in Belgium and either imported by Crescent or H&D Folsom. When Belgium made there should be the ELG (with or without a crown) on it.

    [/snip]
     
  7. Wildfire

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    Usarms Co.

    Hey There;
    Check this out it may help.
    At one point in time USarms Co. was sold out to A.I.G. Inc. a div, of Mosberg.
    After that they became United Sporting Arms Inc. (Tucson , Arizona)
    Not sure if they ar estill around or not. For records on their guns Contact >
    J.C. munnell 633 Long Run Rd. McKeesport, PA. 15132.

    Hope this helps.
     
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