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  1. wannabeagunsmith

    wannabeagunsmith Member

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    Any other members out there?
     
  2. alsaqr

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    Not this guy. NAGR has been in operation since about 2002. NAGR made no monetary donations to candidates until 2010. NAGR and its self serving owner Dudley Brown are a joke.

    Contributions to political candidates by gun rights organizations in 2010:

    1. The NRA
    2. An organization many gunowners have never heard of.
    Last. NAGR

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=Q13&cycle=2010
     
  3. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Recently, this thread on AR15.com popped up in which a poster accused the National Association of Gun Rights of lying about the current law in order to generate money for the organization.

    The letter went like this:
    Mr. Brown gives his response in the thread and I found it lacking in a great many respects. Since his alerts regularly get reposted to this forum and the organization has been discussed several times in the past, I thought it would be worthwhile to share the AR15.com thread so other Second Amendment supporters can form their own opinion of the organization and decide whether it warrants their support.
     
  4. alsaqr

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    Yep, Dudley Brown stirred it up on that forum. Every gun rights organization out there backs candidates for political office.

    IMO: Dudley Brown is a self serving shyster whos made a career of bashing the NRA. Beware of any so called "gun rights" organization that has a "donate now" on its homepage. Brown finally made a very small monetary contribution to our gun rights in 2010. It's much too small to show up on this chart:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?cycle=2010&ind=Q13
     
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  5. LawScholar

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    +1. My email address got sold and I got his email for awhile. Blatant fearmongering for cash. The NRA sometimes is guilty of that, but at least they DO something with the money.

    Oh, and as someone FROM Wyoming, he severely oversells his work on Constitutional Carry here. It was never an uphill battle, and I never even heard his name until I saw him in the signing picture.

    Edit:

    HOLY COW. I just read that whole thread on AR-15 where, for pages, he refused to even address an outright lie in his fundraising email.

    Any doubts I had about his lack of scruples are gone.
     
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  6. wannabeagunsmith

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    Hey, that message is the same as his email he sends me every few days....I always thought it sounded strange....
     
  7. JimPage

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    Brown is either an idiot or a con man.

    He seems too smart to be an idiot. :D
     
  8. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Mr. Brown has acknowledged his PAC is not prevented from yelling you who they endorse.
     
  9. Don Wills

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    I'm a newbie to THR. I have a somewhat different take on the issues discussed in this thread. I've never met Mr. Brown. I have no idea what his motives are. NAGR is not directly involved in Wyoming gun rights issues.

    Wyoming Gun Owners Association, which has a loose association with NAGR, was the organization responsible for putting the pressure on Wyoming legislators to enact the Wyoming FFA in 2010 and the license-free concealed carry law (Constitutional carry) in 2011. GOA and the NRA were missing in action in each of those legislative battles.

    Don Wills
    Laramie County, Wyoming
     
  10. LawScholar

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    Man it's nice when a fellow Wyomingite helps dispel that "NAGR got con-carry in Wyoming" myth.
     
  11. tmoore912

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    Dudley Brown's War

    Dudley Brown's War

    http://www.5280.com/magazine/2013/08/Dudley-browns-war?page=0,0





    NAGR's local affiliate organization here in Georgia is called Georgia Gun Owners or GGO for short. They are not doing Georgians any favors here either with regards to helping us regain/expand our carry rights.
     
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    Nagr ?

    anyone know/heard of "The National Association For Gun Rights" ..?? got a mail out asking for a "contribution" ....thanks
     
  13. calward

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    Get their stuff all the time. I have not sent a contribution because I prefer to focus on the NRA which I know gets results. Not sure what the NAGR has actually achieved. Same with GOA (Gun Owners of America )

    Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Not sure I follow the logic in that article, of course when a special interest group's special interest is threatened the members pony up more cash :scrutiny:

    That's how they all work, right? The difference with the NAGR is that they've been caught routinely lying about the state of things, making unfounded alarmist proclamations, and supporting a litany of causes that have nothing to do with firearms as a way to rope in more donors. That last point is the real reason we should avoid them like the plague. And the next point is because they haven't accomplished much (compared with real advocacy organizations) besides annoy and harass people on their mailing list.

    Any organization "grows by leaps and bounds" when its issue is threatened and there is a true public desire to defend it. Advocacy groups don't (and never) do "reverse psychology" and actively help the opposition --word would get out, and besides, they don't need to. The NRA or the Brady Campaign or anyone else can always demand more if they win, and beg and plead for more support if they lose. It's the way of things, and the best way to determine if a policy issue has more public support than rejection. The NRA has shown time and again that they make far more efficient use of donor's money than other "similar" organizations like NAGR purports to be.

    TCB
     
  16. kendak

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    thanks
     
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    If you're on ar15.com there's a very long thread in the General Discussion forum about them that is quite enlightening, especially once the founder starts posting in it.
     
  18. LewSchiller

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    Apparently his favorite tactic is to run third party candidates against you of you don't sponsor his bills. These third party candidates can siphon off enough votes to get the Democrat elected in tight races.
     
  19. tmoore912

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    Another perspective on the same issue.


    Hollow Rhetoric versus Measurable Results in the War on Guns


     
  20. Sam1911

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    Yup. That thread is quoted in the thread I linked.
     
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    I'm going to assume that the current interest is due to fundraising efforts on their part. We've had topics on them before the current group and the story on them never gets any better.
     
  22. tmoore912

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    The current interest in NGAR and their Georgia state affiliate, Georgia Gun Owners (GGO) doesn't really come down to their fundraising.

    It has to do with their "Confrontational Politics" that they engage in. It is getting them nowhere with regards to helping pass significant pro gun legislation.

    They have been making a mess of policy making for pro gun legislation since 2010. They aren't trying to work with anyone at the Capitol. They just like to rile up their masses through half truth email blast.

    The Legislators hold them in very low regard. It's more complicated and detailed than this, but that's the Big Picture...........so they say.

    http://www.peachpundit.com/2013/08/13/re-confrontational-politics-and-the-second-amendment/
     
  23. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Since this is kind of the "catch-all" NAGR thread, I thought I would post this link to several of Colorado's Basic Freedom Defense Fund founders discussing Rocky Mountain Gun Owners/NAGR/Dudley Brown: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/15...contributions_for_a_lawsuitr_in_Colorado.html

    Short version: They did not have nice things to say. Had they followed the advice Brown they say gave them, John Morse would have never been recalled.
     
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    I've been getting "Your Membership Has Expired" emails from RMGO (Mr. Brown's Colorado group).. Pretty irritating because I am a Life Member..

    Having said that, I was always a fan of RMGO when i lived in Colorado, I believe it is a good thing to support a State gun rights group. The whole "gun drama" (all dem laws and later the recalls) happened after I left. But following it from a distance, i am not impressed with the effort RMGO put into that whole episode.

    I always liked their marketplace site though.
     
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