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Results in mob control where 51% tell the other 49% how to live and you can bet a certain party will always rig it so they remain in control forever; and to keep this gun related, would then give them the time and power to eliminate gun ownership in this country with few exceptions: The Elites, The Police, The Military - you do not want to go down that road like some European countries did in the 20s and 30s.
 
Not gun related, but if it stays open I'd like to comment. I think the popular vote is a better system, and feel that in the long run it is better for conservative minded folks and gun rights. With the electoral system at least 35 of the 50 states are non factors months before the election. The outcome is already known and there is ZERO incentive for someone running for election to do anything for those states. The blue states will vote blue, the red states will vote red. You end up with about a dozen battleground states and by the last month of the campaigns only about 1/2 dozen are really important.

I'll use California as an example. It is solid blue and many conservatives decry the state. But consider this. California has 55 electoral votes. In the 2016 election over 4 million Californians voted Republican, yet the Democrats got all 55 electoral votes. Those 4 million votes were more than Alaska, West Virginia, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Arkansas, and Kansas combined. Those 11 states voted red, but the Republicans only got 47 electoral votes.

I know that conservatives point to the 2000 and 2016 elections as justification for keeping the electoral college. But I would argue that the Republicans would have still won in those years. Changing to the popular vote will completely change campaign strategy and every vote, in every state would be important. And I would also argue that with the popular vote neither Clinton nor Obama would have won a 2nd term. It is a double edged sword. Think about how many conservative votes we are losing in states like California and New York. There are a lot of conservative voters in those states who stay home because of the EC system.

Lots of folks are under the mistaken impression that the EC helps balance the power of smaller states compared to larger states. That simply isn't true and the California vs 11 smaller states in the above example proves it. Having 2 senators from each state regardless of size is what helps give smaller states the same power as larger states. The EC was used in the 1700's due to the limitations of communication and transportation at the time. No reason to continue to use it.

Using the EC makes it much easier for fraud to influence an election too. In 2000 it all came down to Florida which Bush won bu only a few hundred votes after the final talley. If someone from either party wants to illegally influence an election with our current system they only have to work on 2-3 big cities in 2-3 states. If Gore had gotten just a few hundred more votes, in just one city in one state he would have been president rather than Bush in 2000.
 
PLEASE, wake up and smell the coffee! DO NOT buy into the lie.

Popular Vote = Democracy = Will of the majority CAN be imposed on the rights of the minority/smaller states

Electoral college = Republic = Will of the majority CANNOT be imposed on the rights of the minority/smaller states


This is why the founding fathers chose Constitutional Republic as form of our government so the Constitutional rights such as First Amendment and Second Amendment "SHALL NOT" be infringed by the will of the majority.

If Electoral College goes away, kiss your minority rights goodbye.

Popular Vote is the end game of immigration and higher birth rate of rapidly growing low/no income sector of the voting population. Watch the movie Idiocracy which portrays a distant future where smart people do not reproduce but less smart people reproduce at higher rate and eventually take over the world and government. Meant to be funny but it was very scary for me as it is happening as we speak.

 
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Not gun related, but if it stays open I'd like to comment. I think the popular vote is a better system, and feel that in the long run it is better for conservative minded folks and gun rights. With the electoral system at least 35 of the 50 states are non factors months before the election. The outcome is already known and there is ZERO incentive for someone running for election to do anything for those states. The blue states will vote blue, the red states will vote red. You end up with about a dozen battleground states and by the last month of the campaigns only about 1/2 dozen are really important.

I'll use California as an example. It is solid blue and many conservatives decry the state. But consider this. California has 55 electoral votes. In the 2016 election over 4 million Californians voted Republican, yet the Democrats got all 55 electoral votes. Those 4 million votes were more than Alaska, West Virginia, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Arkansas, and Kansas combined. Those 11 states voted red, but the Republicans only got 47 electoral votes.

I know that conservatives point to the 2000 and 2016 elections as justification for keeping the electoral college. But I would argue that the Republicans would have still won in those years. Changing to the popular vote will completely change campaign strategy and every vote, in every state would be important. And I would also argue that with the popular vote neither Clinton nor Obama would have won a 2nd term. It is a double edged sword. Think about how many conservative votes we are losing in states like California and New York. There are a lot of conservative voters in those states who stay home because of the EC system.

Lots of folks are under the mistaken impression that the EC helps balance the power of smaller states compared to larger states. That simply isn't true and the California vs 11 smaller states in the above example proves it. Having 2 senators from each state regardless of size is what helps give smaller states the same power as larger states. The EC was used in the 1700's due to the limitations of communication and transportation at the time. No reason to continue to use it.

Using the EC makes it much easier for fraud to influence an election too. In 2000 it all came down to Florida which Bush won bu only a few hundred votes after the final talley. If someone from either party wants to illegally influence an election with our current system they only have to work on 2-3 big cities in 2-3 states. If Gore had gotten just a few hundred more votes, in just one city in one state he would have been president rather than Bush in 2000.



If you're wrong will you join the effort to repeal the popular vote? :evil:
 
Jmr40 seems to have forgotten that Clinton won the nationwide popular vote by about 3 million votes. The only reason Trump won the presidency is that he was relatively smart about getting electoral votes in some small to medium states, while Clinton was totally stupid in her failure to go after such states.
 
I think that this issue IS 2nd amendment related. Because, I am afraid that the 2nd amendment is one of the first things that the socialist Democrats will go after if they take control of the U.S.
I'm seeing it first hand in IL.
 
Not gun related, but if it stays open I'd like to comment. I think the popular vote is a better system, and feel that in the long run it is better for conservative minded folks and gun rights. With the electoral system at least 35 of the 50 states are non factors months before the election. The outcome is already known and there is ZERO incentive for someone running for election to do anything for those states. The blue states will vote blue, the red states will vote red. You end up with about a dozen battleground states and by the last month of the campaigns only about 1/2 dozen are really important.

I'll use California as an example. It is solid blue and many conservatives decry the state. But consider this. California has 55 electoral votes. In the 2016 election over 4 million Californians voted Republican, yet the Democrats got all 55 electoral votes. Those 4 million votes were more than Alaska, West Virginia, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Arkansas, and Kansas combined. Those 11 states voted red, but the Republicans only got 47 electoral votes.

I know that conservatives point to the 2000 and 2016 elections as justification for keeping the electoral college. But I would argue that the Republicans would have still won in those years. Changing to the popular vote will completely change campaign strategy and every vote, in every state would be important. And I would also argue that with the popular vote neither Clinton nor Obama would have won a 2nd term. It is a double edged sword. Think about how many conservative votes we are losing in states like California and New York. There are a lot of conservative voters in those states who stay home because of the EC system.

Lots of folks are under the mistaken impression that the EC helps balance the power of smaller states compared to larger states. That simply isn't true and the California vs 11 smaller states in the above example proves it. Having 2 senators from each state regardless of size is what helps give smaller states the same power as larger states. The EC was used in the 1700's due to the limitations of communication and transportation at the time. No reason to continue to use it.

Using the EC makes it much easier for fraud to influence an election too. In 2000 it all came down to Florida which Bush won bu only a few hundred votes after the final talley. If someone from either party wants to illegally influence an election with our current system they only have to work on 2-3 big cities in 2-3 states. If Gore had gotten just a few hundred more votes, in just one city in one state he would have been president rather than Bush in 2000.

With a national popular vote you only need win 7 or 8 of the largest metro areas in the US. Forget states. Large metro areas tend to be liberal.

One change that MIGHT work would be to eliminate the winner take all on electoral college votes and go to a proportional system.
 
Proportional would be the same as the elimination of the electoral college. Why not just give out Senators by population as well. These are two areas where the rights of the minority are heard.
 
I am afraid that the 2nd amendment is one of the first things that the socialist Democrats will go after if they take control of the U.S.
No, the socialist Democrats have already gone after our First Amendment of free speech.

Whenever we exercise our First Amendment, they attack with labels such as "racist, outdated thinking, greedy, selfish, bigot, misogy" etc. When we defend our life against violent intruders and robbers, we are not seen as law abiding citizens exercising our right to self defense rather hatred predators jumping at the chance to kill - So untrue.

It is the socialist Democrats and anti-gun crowd that are exercising tyranny against the rights of the minority. This is the reason why the founding fathers chose Constitutional Republic as the form of our government.

Call me hopeful or wishful thinking but the election win in 2016 was a turning point of enough is enough of impingement of our rights and I anticipate a landslide win in 2020 against those who want to impose on our rights.

Godspeed.
 
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