National Catholic Review would like to repeal the 2A

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Chew on this one:
http://americamagazine.org/issue/repeal-second-amendment

Of particular interest is the argument that since the constitution is man's law, not divine law, we should not "idolize" it. That kinda reasoning is what makes the separation between church and state the smartest thing in our constitution.

 

[HorseSoldier]

Perhaps someone should point out to the author and editors of that publication that between 9/11 and other less notable hate crimes free and unfettered access to religion has also killed quite a few Americans . . .

 

[Texpatriate]

As a pastor, I would tend to agree with the assertion that the U.S. Constitution is "man's law" and not "God's Law". It is not holy scripture. Having said that, I completely disagree with Catholic Review's view that we should repeal the 2nd Amendment. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are without a doubt the best of the various systems of government that mankind has devised. It is the social contract which our founders set up to create a government of, by, and for "The People", and as such, it is the existing social contract between we the people and our government. To violate said contract in my view would be/is a grievous sin on the part of our elected representatives, and invalidates their right to govern.

 

[FitGunner]

I may be wrong since I don't go to church as often as I should but I believe that the Bible does state that we have the right to defend ourselves. Something about take up your sword if you must. Someone with more knowledge please step in and school me.

 

[Texan Scott]

I am a FIRM believer in separation of Church and State... not because I'm against the Church, but because I wouldn't trust the State to regulate it.

Our government can't agree on the laws of men. I DARNED SURE don't want them trying to impose what they consider the laws of God... according to whom?

The Law of God according to Joe Biden?
The Commandments of G-d as revealed to Justice Ginsberg?
"Jebus'z rulZ", by Newt Gingrich (partly written in Crayon, with dirty doodles in the margins?)

I live in Central Texas ... every local politician I've ever gotten a flyer from touts his Church involvement. Some of these should really stay indoors when there's a threat of lighting.

Anyone who wants to talk to me about Jesus better be working in a shelter, clinic, or soup kitchen (HE was into that sort of thing). It was people in churches and courthouses that killed Him.

Rosaries in one pocket, guns in the other. Keep 'em separate. [/rant]

 

[Caliper_Mi]

Someone needs to remind them that the 2A merely protects one of those inalienable rights that we are endowed with by our Creator. Repealing the 2nd would not remove our right to own firearms any more than repealing the first would remove our right to free religion.

 

[mrvco]

I may be wrong since I don't go to church as often as I should but I believe that the Bible does state that we have the right to defend ourselves. Something about take up your sword if you must. Someone with more knowledge please step in and school me.

History proves unequivocally that one can find justification for pretty much anything, regardless of how noble or how depraved, based upon one's interpretation of the Bible.

I think the Catholic Church is way too nostalgic for the good old days when they played a critical role in society and were the sole light of hope to the masses... the days of peasantry and feudalism.

 

[Domina]

If Bastiat were alive today, and were to write an updated version of "That which is seen, and that which is not seen", he might very well address the angst over the violence which is seen in the presence of a right to keep and bear arms, by exploring "that which is not seen" in terms of violence that is deterred or countered because of the right to keep and bear arms. When one only judges the 2nd amendment on visible abuse and criminal violence, they do so incompletely and without wisdom.

 

[CmdrSlander]

I for one, support the notion of repealing the 2nd Amendment. Its the only honest way to implement gun control, as the 2A invalidates almost all gun control schemes. If this country ever gets to the point where they can lawfully amend the Constitution to remove the RKBA, they are welcome to do so, a process exists to remove or alter anything in the document. Of course, no one has came to the people with a measure to repeal the 2A, oh no, they just gleefully subvert our founding document and in doing so debase every right enumerated therein.

 

[CmdrSlander]

As a pastor, I would tend to agree with the assertion that the U.S. Constitution is "man's law" and not "God's Law". It is not holy scripture. Having said that, I completely disagree with Catholic Review's view that we should repeal the 2nd Amendment. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are without a doubt the best of the various systems of government that mankind has devised. It is the social contract which our founders set up to create a government of, by, and for "The People", and as such, it is the existing social contract between we the people and our government. To violate said contract in my view would be/is a grievous sin on the part of our elected representatives, and invalidates their right to govern.

Many of the rights affirmed by the Bill of Rights (in both the US and other countries) are supposedly derived from god, no?

 

[Blackstone]

Yeah, I've heard it repeated many times that the 2A amongst others are God given rights.

 

[Hacker15E]

Well, the National Catholic Review may cast their vote in Congress when the Amendment to repeal the 2nd Amendment comes up.

 

[Dmath]

First, there isn't any "National Catholic Review." The article you are quoting is from America, a Jesuit journal, which is pretty far left, and does not speak for the Catholic Church, nor even for a majority of Catholics.

Second, the Catholic Church does have a publication that sets out all of its views, the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The CCC does not forbid self-defense, nor does it take a position on gun ownership.

Third, I knew when I saw the subject line that it would only take a handful of posts before somebody mentioned the Inquisition. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people put to death for religious reasons at the time were killed by various Protestant factions. The Inquisition was relatively (emphasis on relatively) moderate. However, the Pythons got it right when they said that the Inquisition does make for a smashing film.

 

[Akita1]

First, there isn't any "National Catholic Review." The article you are quoting is from America, a Jesuit journal, which is pretty far left, and does not speak for the Catholic Church, nor even for a majority of Catholics.

Second, the Catholic Church does have a publication that sets out all of its views, the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It does not forbid self-defense, nor does it take a position on gun ownership.

Third, I knew when I saw the subject line that it would only take a handful of posts before somebody mentioned the Inquisition. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people put to death for religious reasons at the time were killed by various Protestant factions. The Inquisition was relatively (emphasis on relatively) moderate. However, the Pythons got it right when they said that the Inquisition does make for a smashing film.

So does Name of the Rose; book was better of course.

Ignore the Heathens. 2A has zero to do with God and we don't do religion on THR.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_(magazine)

The left wing of Catholic thought (or the Catholic wing of leftwing thought).

Why need to repeal the Second Amendment if it only protects the state militia? This article would make a nice sweatsock of wet pig kidneys to smack up the side of the head of someone repeating the "Second Amendment does not protect an individual right" talking point. People who want to ban citizen ownership of guns (the Jesuits' "America" magazine, Rep. Major Owens, FDR's USAG Homer Cummings) admit it would take repeal of the Second Amendment to do so.

 

[Frank Ettin]

This is not a place to bash the Catholic Church and such behavior will not be tolerated. Some posts are gone. Learn from that.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...Second, the Catholic Church does have a publication that sets out all of its views, the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The CCC does not forbid self-defense...

In fact it supports self defense (the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, footnotes omitted, emphasis added):

Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."...

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.... ​

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility....

 

[KTXdm9]

Slapping "Catholic" on something doesn't make it so any more than it does when the antis use "sensible" to peddle their garbage. You guys should know better.

 

[P5 Guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ouuPS--RDI

Maybe going to Jesus' religion will give the answer?

 

[Walkalong]

We are not here to talk about religion, we are here to talk about guns. We do not do religion because we do it so poorly. Let's stick to a subject we do so well, guns.