CAPTAIN MIKE
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Well, maybe now that we have a Republican controlled Congress with a sportsman in the White House, maybe NOW we can finally see National CCW Reciprocity.
What do YOU think???
What do YOU think???
National Ccw Reciprocity
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JerryM
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I doubt that we will see it. It would be opposed by many, maybe including gun supporters who also are strong state rights supporters.
My one hang up is that if the government can tell a state that it must recognize other state's CHL it also has the authority to tell them that they cannot. It seem a two edged sword. However, I still support it.
More and more states have reciprocity with a number of other states. It appears that FL and UT have the most, and both states allow non-residents to obtain their state CHL. I think that is the best way for it to be handled, but I realize that some of the NE states and CA will never have it.
Jerry
My one hang up is that if the government can tell a state that it must recognize other state's CHL it also has the authority to tell them that they cannot. It seem a two edged sword. However, I still support it.
More and more states have reciprocity with a number of other states. It appears that FL and UT have the most, and both states allow non-residents to obtain their state CHL. I think that is the best way for it to be handled, but I realize that some of the NE states and CA will never have it.
Jerry
NHBB
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reps from the extreme anti gun states would make a huge deal about this, I love the idea but realistically I don't see it happening anytime soon.
another okie
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I like the idea of being able to carry nationwide, but I don't think it's the federal government's job to tell states who can and cannot carry a concealed weapon in their borders. Most people on this board are opposed to a large and intrusive federal government, but it's funny how quickly we waive our principles when that large and intrusive federal goverment can give us something we want.
El Tejon
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Darn straight its the federal government's job to tell the states to honor the Constitution!!! That's why we have the 14th Amendment to begin with, to bring the Bill of Rights to the States who were violated the rights of the freedmen. Hence the Civil Rights Act of 1866, inter alia.
Another okie, all we want is a federal government that does what it is suppossed to do--enforce the Constitution. To this end, the federal government has a paramount interest in civil rights legislation such as this.
Another okie, all we want is a federal government that does what it is suppossed to do--enforce the Constitution. To this end, the federal government has a paramount interest in civil rights legislation such as this.
Moparmike
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There shouldn't be any CCW reciprocity because there shouldn't be any CCW licenses.
Enforcing the 2nd Amendment would be enough for that end.
Enforcing the 2nd Amendment would be enough for that end.
Greg L
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"Full faith & credit" should cover them. Much like a driver's licence, you are expected to know & follow the speed limits/traffic regulations in the states that you visit.
As it is, I know there are certain things that I'm allowed to do here in Ky with my permit that I'm not allowed to do (with my recognised permit) in Oh or other states that I visit.
While you shouldn't need to be conversant on all 20,000+ laws, a basic understand of what each state that you visit expects isn't unreasonable.
Greg
As it is, I know there are certain things that I'm allowed to do here in Ky with my permit that I'm not allowed to do (with my recognised permit) in Oh or other states that I visit.
While you shouldn't need to be conversant on all 20,000+ laws, a basic understand of what each state that you visit expects isn't unreasonable.
Greg
Nathaniel Firethorn
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This is the only way that the Peoples' Republics are ever going to get any sort of legal carry in my lifetime. I say it's time for GWB to reward the people in the blue states who supported him.
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Standing Wolf
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Sure, but the federal government needs to clean up its own act first.
I'll trust the federal government within five miles of my holster if—and only if—I see it respect the Second Amendment across the board, along with the First, Fourth, et cetera.
Hypnogator
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This should be doable without bending the Constitution at all. After all, the USG mandated full driver's license reciprocity. I'm 100% behind this effort, and I already have national CCW (retired Fed).
While they're at it, they should make sure all jurisdictions that issue CW licenses honor all other jurisdictions. No more NYC honoring only NYC-issued licenses.
While they're at it, they should make sure all jurisdictions that issue CW licenses honor all other jurisdictions. No more NYC honoring only NYC-issued licenses.
The Constitution says we have the "Right to Bear Arms". Nothin is mentioned that we have the right to bear hidden arms. The Federal government should stay out of states business on how they handle CCW premits. You should never want to transfer a state's right to the Federal government making it even stronger.
When you travel outside of your state remember you are then someone's guest. You don't get to impose your will upon your host.
When you travel outside of your state remember you are then someone's guest. You don't get to impose your will upon your host.
It doesn't say anything about how one should bear arms at all. The method of bearing arms is irrelevant. If it isn't, then there is nothing wrong with a law says that anytime an individual carries a gun it must be duct taped to their forehead. After all, the constitution says nothing about the right to bear arms in a holster.
No it shouldn't. It is not a state's right. It is an individual's right. Securing individual rights is the only reason any government has to exist at all.
There is a huge difference between exercising my rights and imposing my will on others. My choice to carry my weapon - openly or concealed - imposes nothing on no one.
The constitution doesnt "grant" rights. It limits the ability of government to regulate those rights. What the constitution SAYS is that the government cannot infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. I don't see how that statement allows the government any say whatsoever in HOW one chooses to carry their firearms.
thefitzvh
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Question: Hypothetical of course...
since there's precident for reciprocity of drivers licenses...
Could an EO declare that the full faith and credit clause applies to CCW licenses as well?
James
since there's precident for reciprocity of drivers licenses...
Could an EO declare that the full faith and credit clause applies to CCW licenses as well?
James
jmm706
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I would love to see greater reciprocity. South Carolina requires a full day of training/shooting to get a CW permit. They expect other states to have the same requirement. Makes it hard when traveling.
I'm proud of Florida
Florida has led the way in CCW rights. We had the first "shall issue" permit law in the country, and it proved that citizens can carry responsibly. That took the air out of the argument that there would be gunfights on every street corner by crazed irresponsible folks that could not be trusted. Presently, most states have similar laws. Now Florida leads the way in recriprocity and issuing out of state permits with as much reciprocity as other states will allow. Many guys in states that won't even issue them a permit can carry legally in about half the country by getting the Florida out of state permit. Way to go all you folks that led the fight in Florida.
Florida has led the way in CCW rights. We had the first "shall issue" permit law in the country, and it proved that citizens can carry responsibly. That took the air out of the argument that there would be gunfights on every street corner by crazed irresponsible folks that could not be trusted. Presently, most states have similar laws. Now Florida leads the way in recriprocity and issuing out of state permits with as much reciprocity as other states will allow. Many guys in states that won't even issue them a permit can carry legally in about half the country by getting the Florida out of state permit. Way to go all you folks that led the fight in Florida.
The problem that I see with the National CCW Recipocity, as from what I gathered on a Reciprocity website, is that states with more stringent requirements would have those tougher "hurdles" imposed on other, less stringent states.
On that site I saw posters there hacking on my state's (Alabama) much looser requirements, like it was a bad thing. The line was something like: "I wish Alabama would get in the game." In other words, "They need to jump through the same idiotic hoops that we have to to have equal ground for reciprocity."
I hate to see a Nat CCW Rep law that would make everybody endure what folks in , say Missouri, have to.
On that site I saw posters there hacking on my state's (Alabama) much looser requirements, like it was a bad thing. The line was something like: "I wish Alabama would get in the game." In other words, "They need to jump through the same idiotic hoops that we have to to have equal ground for reciprocity."
I hate to see a Nat CCW Rep law that would make everybody endure what folks in , say Missouri, have to.
Has anyone considered that National CCW would be unconstitutional.
I forget which one but either the 9th or 10th amendment reserves to the states all power not specifically enumerated in the constitution to the federal government.
Historically firearm laws have been the province of the states and not the feds with but a few exceptions.
Of course both the 9th and 10th amendments have been for all practical purposes ignored for the past 200 years so even if national CCW is unconstitutional that will not necessarily prevent the feds from enacting it (pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before the feds enact national CCW so IMO the whole point is moot anyway).
I forget which one but either the 9th or 10th amendment reserves to the states all power not specifically enumerated in the constitution to the federal government.
Historically firearm laws have been the province of the states and not the feds with but a few exceptions.
Of course both the 9th and 10th amendments have been for all practical purposes ignored for the past 200 years so even if national CCW is unconstitutional that will not necessarily prevent the feds from enacting it (pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before the feds enact national CCW so IMO the whole point is moot anyway).
Nathaniel Firethorn
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As long as no one behind the bench is paying any attention to the Constitution, that's an argument with the stopping power of a piece of 20-minute rigatoni pitched underhand.
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Easy for him to say that people don't need guns because he has armed guards 24/7. 
Zundfolge
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I like the idea, however I"m not sure how my Colorado CCW would work in a national system since here in Colorado CCWs are issued by counties not the state.
Mine says in big bold letters across the top:
EL PASO COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT
only place it says "Colorado" is in my address
Mine says in big bold letters across the top:
EL PASO COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT
only place it says "Colorado" is in my address
The news was talking today about how the Evangelicals are worrying that Bush won't further their agenda on abortion and gays. He got their support and now won't come across. So given that there is no big push to claim that gun folks were important in this election, don't expect Bush to do squat that is proactive.
We can hope that if progun reps suggest bills and get them passed, he will sign them. But he won't push for any.
Bush has too much on his plate with Iraq and does worry about tax reform, etc. to bother with gun issues.
We can hope that if progun reps suggest bills and get them passed, he will sign them. But he won't push for any.
Bush has too much on his plate with Iraq and does worry about tax reform, etc. to bother with gun issues.
Yooper
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I favor the decision being made at the state level. We could validate CCW at the national level with a conservative government, but it could be as easily invalidated if the liberals regain control, easy come, easy go.
ExtremeDooty
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Nonsense! I'm a citizen of the United States, not just Michigan. That's how they do things in Europe. Cpl's should be honored in all states just like a driver's license.
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