National German gun registry on target for launch

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Just one more benefit of belonging to the EU...

'Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich told reporters in Berlin that the database would provide "a very concrete contribution towards improving public safety." Thanks to the information, he said, police would be able to check "who owns which weapons legally, across the entire country," perhaps more quickly than in the past.'

http://www.dw.de/national-german-gun-registry-on-target-for-launch/a-16390894


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It's really sad there....they have a Cowboy Mounted Shooting Assn. (CMSA) affiliate there....that arent even allowed to practice with firearms, period. Public or private property.

Last yr, they got to do 2 or 3 demos at horse-related events...it took govt permission to do so.

They keep applying to the govt for permission to shoot and hold competitions.
 
Of course, it worked so well in Canada, didn't it? Oh, that's right, they ended up spending a boat-load of money to "try" it, and they're getting rid of it because it was a really expensive joke!
 
The same is being implemented here in Finland as well, thanks to the EU.

Back in 2002 the government agency was granted funds to bring firearm registry up to date, as the registries were regional, filed mostly on paper archives, many of which were inaccurate. The head of that agency, a known left-wing official Jouni Laiho did NOTHING and spent the whole budget on harassing legal gun owners (illegal bans on some types of firearms etc.)

Now they got even more money to finally have the registry finished. The result? Last week there was a request on newspapers that people wouldn't apply for new licenses during next few weeks, because they haven't been able to get the system running properly.

Oh joy. Last time when they tried they "lost" about 40 of my guns from it, which became illegal overnight and I had to spent quite a while at the police station to have them re-entered in the database. Had I lost the license cards at the same time, all of them would have become permanently illegal and subject for confiscation.

Gotta love bureaucracy.
 
If you've been following this thread, you might notice that over half the replies are gone. Let's try to keep this on topic.
 
German gun registration to improve public safety! If I remember correctly they did the same thing eighty years ago and ended up confiscating arms.
 
Gun control is not about crime. It is about keeping the people from being able to resist the government. The same sort of thing happened in Germany in 1939 and we all know how that ended.
 
If i remember correctly in or around 1939 when the Nazis came to power they instituted a gun registry, then a few years later that made it real easy to confiscate all the registered guns. The came the people roundups. History repeating itself?
 
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

Classified guns for "sporting purposes". (I ve heard that here in USA)
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.


http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
 
limping bear, and look what happened to over six million people.

Over 20 million if you include Stalin, Hitler and Tojo. But then who's counting. Maybe it does't make a whole lot of difference in the scheem of things now that I think of it, we lost 18 million to the flu back in the early 19 hundreds. It seems like we have been killing one another since Cain and Able, maybe we should have "rock and club" control. (LOL)

Jim
 
PRM said:
http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=flr
A ha! Finally someone posts something with some meat to it! Did you read that one? It's sheds a lot more light on what was going on than the typical stuff you see on gun forums.

It might be worth readng Halbrook's piece which is mentioned in Harcourt's introduction: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

My point is that Germany's history of gun control is rather complicated and the Nazi party only had a small part to do with it. The major legislation in 1919, 1920, and 1928 had very significant impact on gun ownership longer before Hitler came to power.

It would be worth people's time to understand more about what happened rather than just saying, "HILTER LOVED GUN CONTROL!" every time someone mentions Germany and/or registration.
 
A ha! Finally someone posts something with some meat to it! Did you read that one? It's sheds a lot more light on what was going on than the typical stuff you see on gun forums.

It might be worth readng Halbrook's piece which is mentioned in Harcourt's introduction: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

My point is that Germany's history of gun control is rather complicated and the Nazi party only had a small part to do with it. The major legislation in 1919, 1920, and 1928 had very significant impact on gun ownership longer before Hitler came to power.

It would be worth people's time to understand more about what happened rather than just saying, "HILTER LOVED GUN CONTROL!" every time someone mentions Germany and/or registration.
Thanks for pointing this out, Jorg!

It is a common misconception that the Nazis outlawed civilian gun ownership in Germany, and it really bothers me that people keep bringing this up when talking about gun registration. Pro-gun activists don't do themselves and their cause a favor if they blindly repeat what they read on the internet.

To sum it up for those who don't like to delve into long articles:

It was the Entente that demanded disarmament of German citizens after WW I in the treaty of Versailles and at the Spa conference. On August 7, 1920, the Weimar government passed the "Gesetz zur Entwaffnung der Bevölkerung" (law to disarm the population), which virtually banned guns from private hands, with very few exceptions (mainly hunters).

On 1928 – still under the Weimar government – a new law was adopted which lifted this ban. However, it also instituted compulsary registration of all firearms.

This means that the registration of all firearms in civilian hands had already happened when the Nazis came to power in 1933.
The Nazis made access to firearms easier for the average citizen and instituted (for the most part) more liberal gun laws in the Reichswaffengesetz of 1938, with the explicit goal of "Wehrhaftmachung" (strengthening the ability to defend oneself) of the population. Now, adults were allowed to purchase long guns without any sort of permission, and hunters were allowed to carry their guns at any time.

However, what the Nazis did do in terms of disarming civilians, was to use the data gathered via the Weimar gun registry law to disarm members of "undesirable" ethnic and political groups (cf. the Halbrook article).
This could be brought up as an argument against the registration of firearms, but people should be careful not to repeat the widespread myth of Nazis completely banning civilian gun ownership, which is simply not true.
 
Thank you Jorg and Kabal.

I always thought it went back to the Treaty of Versailles, as did much of the other foundation for Hitler's rise.
 
All legal firearms are registered (and much more) in Germany anyway so is this just announcing a central database?
 
Kabal/Jorg:
Was some of the motivation for German registration in the 1920s a result of the street fighting between Kommunisten and former WW1 soldiers?

Also, at the end of the book "Band of Brothers", Ambrose describes a scene in a Bavarian town where the locals were told to bring their personal rifles and put them in a heap (which became large). This was because of a military order which was misunderstood, or misinterpreted.
Some of these private citizens' family hunting rifles had been treasured possessions for many years. This helps contradict the stories of confiscation in the late '30s.
 
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public safety? pft!

since im a member of a gun forum id be willing to bet i dont need to say my stance on this.


on a side note: yoda, next time youre at hurby, pm me if u want to grab a beer
 
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