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I recently made a solo trip to Isle Royale. I did CPL and there were no problems.
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Since this was illegal, do you think there would have been problems if a park ranger or other park employee had noticed you were carrying?

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Firearms, fireworks, or any implements designed to discharge missiles in the air or water are prohibited.
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http://www.nps.gov/archive/isro/camping.htm
 
Not every federal law has to be in the Constitution. If there could be no other federal laws than the Constitution, then there would be no reason to have created Congress.

A better question would have been: what part of the Constitution is violated by National Parks? If the answer is none, then the NPS is constitutional.
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Sorry, but it is this type of thinking that causes us never ending trouble.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. - Amendment X

There is no power delegated to the United States by the Constitution to create National Parks, let alone create National Parks that do not allow citizens to practice their Second Amendment rights.
 
"Since this was illegal, do you think there would have been problems if a park ranger or other park employee had noticed you were carrying?"

Yes it was illegal. But my whole point is that it was concealed and nobody was none the wiser. If they ever found ut I had it, it would have been due to a situation that dictated leathal force. I'm a believer in the axiom of its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
 
+1 on Concealed means concealed.

I with RedneckDan,

Concealed means just that. Should it turn ugly and come out of concealment, you've got bigger problems at the moment rather than worrying about whether or not defending your life from dangerous game or biepedal predator is "legal." Let the cards fall where they may.

I thought this was a sticky back to a thread that covered this topic before. There was an actual park ranger that chimed in and said something to this effect. While it is technically illegal, concealed means concealed. And if it stays concealed, how is anyone going to know. ;) :D :rolleyes:

A CCW is not something you wave about and advertise by definition. Should the person want to conceal to go pester game or hikers, well, that's different. If they simply want to carry protection, in my mind, go for it. I occasionally speed, I know the risks, but I still do it as do many drivers. Would you rather pay a fine, do some jail time and lose some of your waking hours to our legal system...... or feed a bear?

Some choices should not be left to the people behind desks with nice suits, they should be left to the individuals. Its not as if there would not be consequences for any criminal violations, but should you save your bacon from a bear in National Park, I'm certain you'd be happy with the legal ramifications over your own demise.
 
THis is essentially a 'secondary violation' by nature but the whole point is that we shouldn't be put in jeopardy for exercising our right to protect ourselves. If you ignore the weapon ban in and of itself, think back to the last time you went to a NP. Did you see any indication that weapons of any kind were prohibited? Probably not and according to their reasoning that doesn't matter. It's analogous to me inviting you all over to my house and then proclaiming "Whoa! You can't have wallets here. I'm going to have to take those for our mutual protection". Wait here while I have the police cite you for trespass. :banghead:

Sure, concealed means concealed but why should someone face a federal misdemeanor, fine and weapon seizure for doing something lawful most other places? And other than to preserve game, wildlife etc. what business does the NPS have making parks more dangerous?
 
Don't ask permission, keep it concealed.

I agree smurf, but the 12 rather than 6 rule applies. And no, I don't recall any specific signage stating weapons were not legal, but I imagine it's posted somewhere, in small print. I have seen the "no hunting" signage, but don't recall the "no guns on park property" verbage on said signage.

jeepmor
 
Exactly. The thing is that this "regulation" is also in effect on parkways and other properties controlled by NPS. I understand the "12/6 rule", but I'm trying to get the message out that we can change this for the better.

So if you can spare 15-20 minutes, hit up my website and use some of the linked lobbying tips and get the word out to your congressional delegation.

Thanks!
 
I just skimmed through. Recently did a few N.P in NM, AZ and UT. Never travel w/o. Thank god for rules and regulations. Illegal to bring in weapons? Yes. Illegal to search me w/o probable cause or warrant? YES. So like the others here, if nothing happened, nothing to worry about, if I need to expose my weapon, I have bigger worries. I am an A-1 clean dressed, well behaved articulate and socially conditioned citizen of the USA, protected by the constitution and fear no L.E because they have no reason to fear me. I know never to allow an L.E permission to search me or my vehicle without a warrant. If an L.E asks, it means they cannot w/o permission and probably have no probable cause for a warrant. If you have an open bottle, or a roach in the ashtray, then the LEO has probable cause, and booze/drugs don't mix with CCW anyway so don't do it. Everywhere I go, my gun goes, especially to places that are restricted or have signs prohibitting, IMO there is more chance of needing the weapon in such a place as there is getting caught.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0808/p03s01-ussc.html
http://www.uwm.edu/~aafeltes/city.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/14/162412.shtml
 
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