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  1. glockman19

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/24205387#24205387

    The mother interviewed obviously doesn't know what she's talking about. IMHO Fewer injuries & fatalities would have occured had students been allowed to carry. Think about it. Shooting targets or unarmed people is one thing now hit your target when it's shooting back.
     
  2. bogie

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    It's called transference. Most gun-ignorant (most are not "anti" per se...) folks don't know about guns. And they assume that police and soldiers are trained in their use.

    I was in the army. I was a writer/photographer for Army publications and civilian press releases. Qualifying on my 1911 involved picking one with the fewest random rattles out of the box, and shooting in the general direction of the target.

    Gun ignorant folks know they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Ergo, they assume that anyone else who is not "qualified" (i.e., police or soldier) can do likewise.

    Instead of trying to slap some sense into them via a verbal bludgeon, our best tool is gentle education.
     
  3. Sato Ord

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    So, she's been exposed to armed deranged killers so many times that she knows how everyone else would react in such a situation?

    The woman is distraught about what happened to her child. I can understand that. I also understand that she wants to feel that the way the outcome would have changed had there been armed citizens there would be worse.

    If she has to consider the possibility that things could have turned out better she has to consider that she, and anti-gun liberals like her, might actually share some of the responsibility for things at VT being as bad as they were.

    Remember, these people are fine with the idea that the police take care of them and always respond in time to stop the bad guy. Oh, wait, what happened at VT puts the lie to that! Oh my, starting to think again, better go into safe mode and take up the liberal chant of "Guns are Bad, Guns kill people!"

    Fairly good coverage of the other side considering how the media usually works in stories like these. They did put the distraught parent on last for effect, but the pro-gun people actually got more air time.
     
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    I believe this is a very good point. I suspect this is the "reasoning" behind the antigun attitudes of many of the survivors of school shootings and parents of shooting victims, whether they are awar of it or not.
     
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    In all fairness, it seems that NBC got both sides of the story. It is sorta like the analogy of we can't have good without evil. Consider the antis evil.
     
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    I am glad that the website pointed out Lori Haas' lie about "paralyzed by fear".

    I am disgusted by the irresponsible gun handling that NBC showed.:fire:
     
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    Mom says,
    Her personal deficiencies are not a reason to prevent others from carrying.

    She's saying that if, right now, Cho #2 is happening at Virginia Tech, she'd absolutely prefer if no students had guns. If we all hear, "Pop, pop, pop...", then she says, "Yep, don't let any innocent students in that building have a gun." We'll wait it out.

    Society has a vacuum where morality used to be. This is getting out of hand.

    I would really like to see a pro-gun surviving victim get the microphone. Why is a victim’s family suddenly qualified to speak on the 2A and carry rights? News ratings, I guess.
     
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    The mother obviously is like many other misinformed people in our country.

    But I have to give NBC credit on this one. At least they tried to give our side a voice. (That is rare and shocking)
     
  10. Robert Hairless

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    Meanwhile, in Israel, an adult student armed with a handgun might have helped stop a terrorist who was murdering younger students in a Jerusalem school:

    The terrorist killed eight young people before Yitzhak Dadon intervened. The police arrived at about that time. An Israeli Defense Force officer who lived near the school raced to it and killed the terrorist.

    Although campus police at American colleges don't want people allowed to conceal carry at colleges because they can't distinguish between the good guys and the bad guy, the Israeli police seem to have had no difficulty recognizing Yitzhak Dadon as a good guy. It's possible that the Israeli police are smarter than their American counterparts.

    Yitzhak Dadon did not freeze when he heard the shooting. He went into action in an attempt to stop the murderer from killing more young people. It's possible that Israelis are smarter than Americans.

    This incident from March 6, 2008 was reported in the Jerusalem Post but not in any American newspaper I've found. It's possible that Israeli newspaper people are smarter than American newspaper people.
     
  11. VARifleman

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    That story is now tagged, and being used to dispel some attempts to stop the CCW on campus movement. Thank you Robert.
     
  12. glennv

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    There was a girl who was shot in the VT attack in the news two days ago. She was attending the CCW on campus rally that was held. In support of carrying.
     
  13. Robert Hairless

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    You're welcome.

    Part of the problem you face, I think, is that the myths have been allowed to grow unchallenged for so long that many people actually believe that it is better for their children to be murdered than to take risks in trying to survive. It's a ghastly way for parents to think.

    I am a parent. I want life for my children. I want them to cherish life so much that they wouldn't hesitate a moment to fight for their survival. I won't teach them not to survive.
     
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    I saw that episode and when the mother said that I was floored.
    OMG NOT TWO!!! This isn't the wild west with someone shooting two handed hitting everything they see. It's sad people equate quantity with ability. I bet she thinks someone spraying indiscriminately with a real AK would surely win against someone who hit them square between the eyes on the first shot with a 9mm.
    Yep, up until the first shot. He didn't kill 32 people with that first shot.

    I doubt you've ever been in a life threatening situation but don't think everybody is as immobilized with fear as you are. People didn't turn into statues when he started shooting. The scariest part is being in that situation with no way to DEFEND YOURSELF.

    P.S.- Mike G. (in the interview) is a member here isn't he?
     
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