NcStar scopes ??

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Careful, be very careful. Go to your local camera shop and check the country of origin on the cameras and lenses.

Some Leupold target scopes cost in the neighborhood of $1000.00. Can you imagine what kind of chinese scope you would get for $1000.00

Think about it.

think about this! The parts, glass, coatings that go into a $1000 scope cost the same anywhere in the world and the labor cost is only a small fraction. Look through even an older high mag leupold and a chicom tasco at even ad close as 300m and you'll quickly understand.

I find that almost without exception those who stand up for Chinese optics have no expertice with quality optical equipment made in a country that doesn't stlll have PEASANTS as part of thier population
 
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

i did alot of research on my centerpoint scope before i bought it. every review i seen was a good one. i would much rather buy another rifle than a +$250 optic

look at my name on here!! if you would like to donate me some $$$ to buy something thats not worth the cost go ahead and send it to me, i will gladly buy another rifle

i think the reason this guy started this thread is because he wanted a low BUDGET scope, and a $65 centerpoint, torture tested by a .416 rigby(look it up), is a good scope,and if you dont like it you can take it back to wal mart and just get your money back.
 
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So what you're telling me is that the camera industry has no experience with quality?

Look through even an older high mag leupold and a chicom tasco at even ad close as 300m and you'll quickly understand.

Been there, done that, and do that. And I have thought about it.

a country that doesn't stlll have PEASANTS as part of thier population

Is this an implication we have no PEASANTS here? You need to look around your own state more.
 
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

Well no it doesn't always happen, Leupold will replace it, no questions asked.
 
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

i did alot of research on my centerpoint scope before i bought it. every review i seen was a good one. i would much rather buy another rifle than a +$250 optic
I send it back to Leupold and they FIX it. I would also rather have good glass on my rifle and hit my mark. Good glass DOES make a difference.
 
...what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?
Good quality optics will take a great deal more abuse than the average Chinese knock-off...and they have a WARRANTY (that they will stand behind). That is why people that need really good optics (and not everyone does, and is willing to pay for it) choose names like: Schmidt & Bender, Hensoldt, Premier Reticles, US Optics, and Nightforce...sure they can be broken, but it takes a great deal of effort to accomplish that. Others like Zeiss, IOR Valdada, Swarovski, and Leupold (et al) also have good customer service and warranties, but are not quite as durable, these are the scopes that are generally well suited for people that want a really good product at a fair price (not combat tough like the aforementioned, with the exception of Mk. 4 Leupolds).

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S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

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I spend $12 shipping sending it back to leupold for FREE repair or replacment vs being out $140 on a cheap scope assuming you don't break it again then you're at $210


This is another key diffrence. Being out another scope or having a manufacturer stand behind you

I keep telling you guys you can't save enough to be money ahead with a cheap optic
 
Is this an implication we have no PEASANTS here? You need to look around your own state more

our poor have cars, tv's and air conditioning and are typically quite overweight


Are you comparing our country and it's standard of living to communist china?
 
To most who have read this post, think back 40-50 years ago all this was said about Japanese products. With todays technology it won't be long , and it ain't gonna be 50 yrs,until the Chinese are going to be the leaders in quality products!
 
"your centerpoint scope is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner. In the event of a defect under this warrenty we will repair, or replace the product"
 
iam just saying it's not point spending $500 just so you can see 300 yards, when you could buy like 7 of these scopes to put on your other rifles, if you can afford any after that expensive *** scope broke you, or it would me, i dont have money coming from my ***
 
"your centerpoint scope is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner. In the event of a defect under this warrenty we will repair, or replace the product"
Basiclly you're SOL if you drop it as you mentioned in a previous post


Point two

where will centerpoint be 2,5 or 10 years from now?

Where were they 10yrs ago?
 
Are you comparing our country and it's standard of living to communist china?

To most who have read this post, think back 40-50 years ago all this was said about Japanese products. With todays technology it won't be long , and it ain't gonna be 50 yrs,until the Chinese are going to be the leaders in quality products!

Take a look at now who holds the U.S.'s debt. It not the poor in china. Take another look at what country has the largest auto sales per capita, yup its china.

Do I want to change places, not hardly. What I was attempting to bring out was not everyone has the money for the high prices optics and the chinese optics suit them just fine, and yes they do work. No way to know the stats but I'd bet more deer have been taken with a scope costing $100 or less than have been taken with a scope costing $500 or more. Just as more deer have been taken with a Win. Md. 94 than by a Cooper bolt action.

And one more time just imagine what kind of fantastic scope one would get from a chinese factory if it was sold for $1000.00 Would be approx $10,000 in U.S. workmanship and dollars. Boy am I going to get slamed for that statement by those that can't comprehend what I'm trying to get across.
 
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http://reviews.walmart.com/1336/10248654/reviews.htm

take a few mins and read that. dont sound bad to me for $35

ill take it back to wal-mart with my receipt if i drop and break it if centerpoint wont replace it, wal-mart gets screwed in alot worse ways, atleast i did pay for it. they will take it back

if iam going to spend 500 on a scope its gonna have night vision, the guy wanted a low price scope, i myself have read alot of crappy reviews about ncstar, but i have seen way more good reviews for the centerpoints and i was just giving him my opinion, not everyone has $500 to blow on a scope, if i do drop me scope and say i have to buy another one that will be like $140, i wont drop it again. which i really dont think it would break maybe knock it off zero

where's all them high dollar scope companies gonna be when they got to replace all them expensive scopes???:neener:

i wonder what they would do if it got stolen??:rolleyes:
 
@ineedmoney

What's with all the spam? I see five posts that could have been one. This isn't a chat room.



Do more research. $500+ is not the best you can do for a quality made American, Japanese, or European scope. If you haven't figured that out, then you haven't researched it enough and really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

If you are worried about breaking your scope or getting it stolen, then maybe you should also worry about the rifle it is on...sounds like you live in a dangerous and hazardous environment prone to accidents and crime.


If you're sold on the WallyWorld scopes for any type of serious shooting...well...there really isn't any way I'm going to convince you otherwise. You'll just have to experience their crappyness for yourself. I just pray it isn't on some poor animal.
 
im just saying a $70 centerpoint has WAY MORE GOOD REVIEWS THAN NCSTAR, THATS WHY THIS WHOLE TREAD STATRED, THE GUY WANTS A LOW PRICE SCOPE JUST LIKE I DID WHEN I BOUGHT MY SCOPE. IT WOULD BE STUPID FOR ME TO PUT A $150+ SCOPE ON A WASR WHEN THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT ACCURATE ANYWAY, BUT THE $70 CENTERPOINT SCOPE IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER MY IRON SIGHTS ESPECAILLY AT 200YARDS SO POINT AS IS PERIOD I GOT TO EAT MY SOUP
 
take a few mins and read that. dont sound bad to me for $35
Not quite, unless you are seeing something that I'm not...it says: $65.00USD, not $35. They make a good scope (made by Crosman IIRC), and I own one. I would highly recommend one for use on a rimfire rifle (at least for target use), but I would (and did) invest a little more for optics on everything else. They are a good bargain, and reasonably well made, but they don't begin to compare to a nice high quality optic. I have a safe to put my optics (attached to rifles) in...so burglary is not a big issue.

ineedmoney, please stop making 5 back-to-back posts...that is an efficient way to get banned real quick.

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the only things scope/riflewise to consider from China are leapers/utg/centerpoint, and Millet. I think millet even has a navy or coast guard contract...
Or for 50 to 100 bucks more, you could get a nikon or Pentax, made with japanese stuff, and be
immensely satisfied, plus have unconditional lifetime warranties as well...
 
I had an NcStar red dot on a 10/22 that would lose it's zero everytime I took it out shooting.

I have a centerpoint that I bought at walmart, and have had it on three guns. Not only will it not hold a zero, I've never been able to get it completely zeroed to begin with because it runs out of adjustment first. It's huge and looks all tactical and whatnot, and it has a red and green illuminator which is real cool (if you're easily amused, as I am), but next time I buy a crap scope, I'll get a simmons, tasco, or something else.
 
I've had a number of cheap Chinese scopes now. Some of them are really pretty decent these days. My favorites are the higher end Leapers and the Centerpoints, (they're the same thing). They're really pretty good scopes for the money. There's a world of difference though between a $20 Leapers and a $145 Leapers. I've got both and the $20 scope is the kind of thing I keep around to put on cheap plinking toys.

From what I've seen of NC Star, I'd stay far away. I've used two of these and they both sucked. Awful optics and one did not retain a zero.

Unlike other people here, I've had good luck with BSA. I've got three of them and they have all held up and held a zero, even the one I've got mounted on a Saiga 308. I did a side by side comparison though one day with a 6-24x40 BSA next to a 4-16x56 Leapers, and the Leapers was just a better scope right across the board. Better optics, better turrets, less glare, etc... It wasn't much better in any given category, but when you compared it overall it seemed pretty significant. One of my biggest gripes about the BSA is that nothing is quite what it's labeled. For example, it says it's a 6-24x scope, but when I actually measured the distance between mildots on various powers I found out that 24x was almost exactly 3.5 times the magnification of 6x. The distances on the parallax ring are also wrong. A true mil-dot isn't at 10x, etc... I've got to give a big thumbs up to the BSA 2-7x32 Airgun scopes though. These are $50 scopes that really take a beating. At one point, I got the second stage on my RSA trigger adjusted wrong and I ended up bump firing my S308 four or five different times before I got it right and that cheap BSA scope was still just fine afterward.

I've got a cheap Barska scope as well. They're nothing special, but for a $30 scope I prefer them to the Leapers, Tasco or Simmons. Mine has a mil-dot reticle and the cross hairs are fine enough for accurate shooting. I can't say the same for my $20 Leapers scopes. On those the crosshairs obscure smaller targets.

I've used several cheap, ($30), Tasco and Simmons scopes as well and I've had better luck with Tasco than with Simmons, (My Simmons self destructed on me with one of the lenses turning sideways inside the scope). There's nothing really notable about them except for the fact that they are very lightweight. The optics are mediocre at best and the crosshairs are generally duplex reticles but functional and not overly thick. Nowadays, the turrets are generally plastic inside with rectangular knobs that stick up under the caps. They really look cheap, but they seem to work OK. I've got a Bushnell that has the same type of turrets, so it's not confined to just the Walmart $30 specials. These are the kinds of scopes that I might put on a kids CO2 rifle.
 
this is what i got with my centerpoint 2-7x32mm on a ak varient which they are not know for really good accuracy. it was a verywindy day today and i was shooting golden tiger which is not the best ammo, as you can read in the 7.62x39 thread, i had one flyer and that was my fault because i went to move my cheek weld and pulled the trigger, very light the O's are iron sights and the X's are the scope from 90 yards, when i first got my scope i was hitting low about 2 ft. at 50 yards mine has plenty of adjustement sorry about the so called spam i got carried away. i will continue to test the centerpoint , and will fell stupid if it screws up, but i will tell you guys, but as of now im very impressed with it.....and that scope i listed at $35 was on sale at the time

i have also heard good things about BSA but havent tried any for myself, i had a really good $50 scope on my savage .270 like 6 years ago but i cant remember the name of it, i could shoot 1" groups all day at 100yards if i could afford the ammo
 

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My Nikon Pro Staff is made in the Philippines. Can't get away from Asian scopes nowadays unless you're digging a little deeper into the pocketbook.
 
I bought an NCStar at a gunshow and it is so bad, that I was trying to look for it before I wrote this and I can not find it. My mind has gone blank , as a self preservation mode, to prevent me from trying again to zero the piece of crap. It is almost as good as the green laser they make. You know, the one that points everywhere but straight, no matter what you do to it. One good part is: The boxes are really cool and the color of the laser is super bright. I feel like having it tested as I believe it probably exceeds the limits of amplification permitted. As in photography, the lens makes or breaks the photo. Spend the money, buy quality. Nikkor, Nikon out of Japan, makes some of the best lenses in the world. China on the other hand, makes the cheapest, best looking, piece of crap you can buy.
 
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