Nebraska: "Concealed gun law won't increase safety"

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from the Grand Island Independent

http://www.theindependent.com/stories/040603/opi_edit06.shtml
Published Sunday, April 6, 2003

Concealed gun law won't increase safety

When virtually every law enforcement agency in America is decrying the increased approval of concealed gun laws, shouldn't that tell you something about why Nebraska should not have such a law?

It appears the Nebraska Legislature will bow deeply before the gun lobbyists and allow Nebraskans the opportunity to carry a concealed gun as they go about their daily lives. Supporters of the bill generally offer two reasons for Nebraskans to pack a gun at the grocery store or movie theater: 1) they contend that it is a constitutional right to bear arms, and 2) it will raise the personal safety factor of citizens if they are able to hide a Smith and Wesson under their polar fleece jacket.

We doubt that the fathers of the Constitution intended for the general public to be able to walk down their streets with a loaded .38 special tucked in their jeans. Times were different in the 1780s. As a newly liberated federation of states, there was a high priority to provide as much national and personal defense as possible. It was important that people of that era be able to defend their farms and property because of the lack of organized militia or police to enforce the law.

Quite frankly, it is a a terrible indictment on this nation that 43 other states have passed a form of this law and allow citizens to conceal a handgun while traversing the neighborhoods. Society is not going to improve because of this bill. It is estimated that 64,000 Nebraskans will be granted permits to hide a gun in their purses and pockets. We will not be safer with 64,000 additional guns on our streets.

We agree with the police that a better alternative to guns would be for people to carry pepper spray for personal defense. Bullets are final. Pepper spray offers a quick recovery to innocent victims of gun violence without permanent injury.

Currently, law enforcement officers presume that individuals are not armed. If police make what is generally referred to as a "felony stop" under the new law, they will need to presume that all persons are armed. They will not know if the driver has a permit for a concealed weapon. Even if the driver's license or vehicle registration contains the permit information, the officer will not know about the permit until after the initial contact with the driver. This will test the patience and restraint of both the police and the public.

Another issue is that there is no database or list of people who have been adjudicated by a court as mentally ill that would prevent them from obtaining a concealed weapon permit. Newly enacted medical privacy laws will make this even more difficult.

While there is a fee to pay for the permit, as well as mandatory training and safety classes, there is no way to judge a person's character or ability to assume the responsibility of carrying a gun. The bill requires that a check of criminal history records be made on behalf of those seeking a permit. The harsh reality is that the database for such a check is rife with errors, omissions and incomplete files. It is very conceivable that a criminal could obtain a legal permit to carry a gun.

We have no quarrel with gun collectors, sport shooters or hunters. Those weapons are generally locked up when not in use. Adding 64,000 guns to the daily fabric of society, with all of the irritations and pressures that accompany these times, only increases the chances of people losing control and firing a gun in the emotional heat of the moment.

The Grand Island Independent · All content © 2003
 
Another editorial by this paper.

Pay particular attention to the second to last paragraph, especially the last sentence!!!!!!!



Published Wednesday, January 22, 2003

Shooting range a good investment

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The city's decision to embark upon the development of 420 acres of land in the southeast corner of the former Cornhusker Army Ammunition Plant bodes well for everyone -- for a long time.

The plan is to create a premier shooting range as well as hike, bike and equestrian trails. The city also foresees shooting ranges designed specifically for law enforcement training purposes. In addition, the plan calls for fishing lakes and both traditional and primitive campgrounds. Coupled with the already present paintball and model airplane flying activities, one can readily see how the completed complex could draw a sizeable number of area residents as well as tourists and travelers eager to take advantage of the many outdoor recreational opportunities. Such offerings will surely appeal to a wide variety of interests and ages.

But the planned complex does more than compensate for reduced campsites at Hall County Park or offer gun enthusiasts an environmentally safe outlet, it also models -- on several levels -- how effective public/private endeavors can be.

First, the purchase of the land itself resulted from both public and private funding: the city paid $284,000 while the remainder of the $459,000 price tag came from the Edgar Reynolds Foundation and Kaufmann-Cummings Foundation -- clear commitments to Grand Island's future.

Second, some of the recreational opportunities, such as the paintball activities or the proposed skeet and sporting clays ranges, are or will be operated by private clubs while other opportunities like the hike/bike trails could feasibly be the city's responsibility. And since the plan is in its infancy, the city rightly anticipates additional public/private partnerships as the area develops.

Even those who use the complex will reflect this public/private mix. In all likelihood, there will be times when citizens will see leagues and conventions utilize specific portions of the complex to the exclusion of all others. The skeet and sporting clays ranges for example might periodically be closed for tournaments. Certainly the dynamic shooting range would be exclusively for various law enforcement agencies.

While the demolition of base housing is a long way from a summer weekend of campers, hikers, and shooting aficionados, it is the first step toward not only increasing the value of the CAAP land, but of also enhancing the quality of life for Heartlanders. All of which makes for a nice investment in the future.
 
If police make what is generally referred to as a "felony stop" under the new law, they will need to presume that all persons are armed.
Well, DUH!!! This ignoramus doesn't think LE treats all encounters in such a manner?!?! This dolt must think LE is as stupid as he is. An example of a newspaper editor showing he is ill-suited to protect and serve as an LE. But I know several LEs who could editorialize at least as well as he can, and better. They are just... smarter.
 
We doubt that the fathers of the Constitution intended for the general public to be able to walk down their streets with a loaded .38 special tucked in their jeans.

Actually, they did, but their versions of hand carried weapon. This guy is a dolt, does this mean that the 1st amendment only applies to quills and pens?

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I DEMAND to know how I can make a living at being a full-time idiot.

When virtually every law enforcement agency in America is decrying the increased approval of concealed gun laws, shouldn't that tell you something about why Nebraska should not have such a law?

It appears the Nebraska Legislature will bow deeply before the gun lobbyists and allow Nebraskans the opportunity to carry a concealed gun as they go about their daily lives.
Sources, please.
Quite frankly, it is a a terrible indictment on this nation that 43 other states have passed a form of this law and allow citizens to conceal a handgun while traversing the neighborhoods.
Life's a b*tch when people think differently.
Society is not going to improve because of this bill.
Your opinion, not to be confused with reporting of FACTS.
Currently, law enforcement officers presume that individuals are not armed. If police make what is generally referred to as a "felony stop" under the new law, they will need to presume that all persons are armed.
This just in. . . LE already assumes they are armed.
Newly enacted medical privacy laws will make this even more difficult.
Good and proper.
Adding 64,000 guns to the daily fabric of society, with all of the irritations and pressures that accompany these times, only increases the chances of people losing control and firing a gun in the emotional heat of the moment.
Helpful hint. Research the history of states that enact CCH laws. You are passing your imagination off as objective fact. Did you go the Columbia University's School of Journalism?

I have got to figure out how to be an idiot and get paid for it. There just has to be a way.
 
"It is very conceivable that a criminal could obtain a legal permit to carry a gun."

I hereby retract my last posting. These people are beyond help.
 
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