Need a bit of advice on RIA 1911

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craneman

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Hello Gents, I am the new owner of a full size tactical 1911 from RIA. I have spent the better part of today searching and troubleshooting some minor problems that I encountered at the range yesterday. I now have a headache and just need a bit of guidence.

The first thing I did when I got it home from purchase was completely strip it down and clean completely and GENEROUSLY re-oil ALL moving parts. Then a comlete dry function and safety check. So far, so good, everything checked fine.

Went to the range with the intention of doing some break-in. I have heard that 500 rounds is recommended. I used 100 PMC factory new 230 grn FMJ hardball, and followed with 100 reloads os FMJ hardball. The first round chambered felt like it slowed the slide. Almost a hesitation in the slide going forward, then fell into battery. Volly of shots left a very nice, tight pattern. Very happy with the accuracy.

The next magazine showed me the first feeding issue. Of course all my mags are 8 round (one factory ACT, and 2 Wilson Combat) and if you put more than 5 rounds in it the next round down goes almost horizontal and gives no frontal support to the top round. This, I believe, is causing the round being stripped off of the top to nose dive into the feed ramp of the frame causing the slow slide movement or worse a jam on some occations.

Is this a feature of crappy mags? I guess I wouldn't wonder so much but the Wilsons do it too. Should I buy a different magazines? which ones won't do this? I am fully aware from todays reading that 7 rounders might work better, but these both do it with just 6 rounds in them.:banghead:

The next was the 3 point jam. This happened occationally, worse as time went. I suspect that the gun was getting dirty and that wa not helping any. The jam was tight enough that it would not go into battery without completely clearing the weapon and starting over. This happenned with factory ammo as well as the reloads. I had my calipers with me and measured all the rounds that jammed and they were all in spec. Sometimes this jam left a tiny witness mark just below the case mouth, but most of the time not. I checked the ramp and trout of the barrel for sharp edges and it looks great as is. Then I checked the breech face and extractor. The tension on the extractor pased the shake tests. although the rims of the expelled cartrages were slightly chewed.

I took it home and cleaned well, and inspected. I measured between the cheeks of the breech face and it seems to be big enough at .481". However, with the firing pin removed, I reinstalled the barrel into the slide, and chambered a live round just to see if there was movement of the round while in locked battery. What I discovered was the round being held forward about .001"-.002" off of the breech face. :what: I can't tell if the extractor tension is hoding it forward or the crappy machineing at the cheek of the breach face is. I assume that the round should be flat against the face with no gap when locked in battery, right? None of the rims of the spent cases showed any deforming though. I think these are probably easy fixes that I can perform, or maybe not. What do ya think?
Thanks for any advise or help offered.
 
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Sounds like a clearance problem on the foreword angle cut of the extractor.

Color a rounds groove with a black marker and chamber it. You should be able to see where the front extractor bevel is hitting the case rim taper and scuffing the marker off if thats what it is.

Should that be found, you need to file off a little more of the bevel so it clears the case rim bevel when it is in battery.
And almost all extractors need polishing of the angles and clearance cuts to operate smoothly.

It might just be too that the the PMC brass is goofy, so try another brand of ammo before you do anything drastic.

See "The Extractor" about half-way down on this page:
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/reliability_secrets.htm

rc
 
Thanks RC. I do believe you are right about the extractor needing smoothed and possibly relieved. Thanks for the link, it too was helpful. I will try the marker trick for the rim engagement. I have tried a bit of other ammo, as the reloads were mixed headstamp, decent stuff. No difference that I could tell.

I am still abit concerned about the round not sitting dead against the breech face while in battery. I have about .001-.002" gap behind the round, and I am having a hard time figuring whats holding it there. Might be the extractor, or the opposite side of the breech. There is a bit of metal that was poorly machined, but it seems to be far enough to the side of the rim that it shouldn't be making interference. Hard to see in there. But what I want to know is that small gap normal? I'm guessing not.

Last question, as my searching for answers just has me confused on magazines. What is a GOOD quality G.I. style mag that will work the way it should. I believe this is one of the biggest problems that I am having with it. Its a consistent, and persistant. I need to sort the problems out one at a time, ya know? Fix one first, then on to the others. Thanks
 
If you still have problems go over to the RIA section at: http://forum.m1911.org/

Ivan with Armscor is very good. if you have to send your gun back it should only take a 10-14 days.

My rock had some feeding probs too. Some of it was my mag (bought an extra ACT and a chip mccormick) but 500 rounds through it helped a lot. Also, it fires fine even when "dirty", very forgiving.
 
Hey Neil, Thanks for the advice. I had thought about sending it back, as I have heard nothing but good things from the guys in Pahrump, Nev. I just felt that the problems were so minor that with my mechanical background I could just as easily sort through them with alittle info. Besides I LOVE to fix stuff, and learn. Did your ACT mags cause the first round to nose dive when the mag was almost full? I tried to bend the lead coil of the spring as stated in the consolidated 1911 clinic above. Seemed to help a little, but not enough. The top round has no support under the bullet, just the case head. As soon as the slide touches it, it nose dives. Maybe bend a bit more. Or get better magazines.
 
One thing probably doesn't have anything to do with the other --but--my RIA Officer was giving me fits on feeding. Replaced "full length guide rod" with one out of a Kimber, and a heaver spring from an SCI, polished the ramp, and it has been my carry piece for the last 3yrs.Now the fact that I carry it tells you it is 100% reliable. Oh yea, all my mags are Chip McCormick. Best of luck.
 
Ed Brown makes excellent replacement extractors that are cut right in all the necessary places.

Colt still offers the absolute best magazines for the 1911 in my humble opinion.
Get the standard blue 7 rounders and pass on the eight shot magazines.
 
Thanks for all the advise. I have 2 new mags coming. 1 genuine colt 7 rounder and 1 Checkmate 7 rounder with the hybred feed lips. I will let you know how it works when I get them and to the range. Then I will mess with the extractor.
 
I have used only 7 rd MecGar mags in all my 1911 45 acp guns and have had every round feed like it should
You can also try original 7 rd GI mags which are still around and cheap new in Mil. contractor packing.
good luck!!!:neener:
 
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Thanks for all the advise. I have 2 new mags coming. 1 genuine colt 7 rounder and 1 Checkmate 7 rounder with the hybred feed lips. I will let you know how it works when I get them and to the range. Then I will mess with the extractor.
Checkmate will sell you the 7 round follower and spring for not too much. On the suggestion of the RIA guys over at m1911 I put those in my stocker (ordered one 7 round mag and the parts to do my factory mag). The factory mag will still take 8 rounds, but I only load it with 7. Gives me a little piece of mind, but I'm not sure that it was 100% necessary as the factory mag never gave me trouble the few times I used it. Sure didn't hurt anything and the theory is sound.
 
First off I wish to give a huge Thank You to all that contributed to my questions, and 1911tuner for the hugely helpfull stickies at the top of this forum.

2 new magazines, a Colt USGI 7 rounder, and a Checkmate USGI 7 rounder. Add to that a tiny fluff and buff to the extractor per the insructions on the above stickie, and "presto" we have a winner. 200 rounds of mixed factory bulk target loads, mixed with a bunch of my reloads, and for good measure Golden Saber hollow points. What a difference. That gun ran like a top! Just like a well oiled machine. Not one hiccup, not one FTF, not one jam. With pretty good accuracy to boot. Thanks All!!!:D
 
ACT Mags do provide the LOWEST possible entry into the chamber. Colts and Checkmates I hear are mush better.
 
Outstanding! A good magazine can make all the difference.

I am still abit concerned about the round not sitting dead against the breech face while in battery. I have about .001-.002" gap behind the round, and I am having a hard time figuring whats holding it there.

Don't be concerned. It's normal, even with the right clearance at the bevel. It'll be dead on the breechface when 20,000 pounds per square inch of pressure slams into it...guaranteed.
 
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