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Opinel. Easy to sharpen(get the carbon steel), and only costs $5-10. It has a very thin blade, so it works well to slice bagels and such too. As tourist said, cardboard is just about the worst thing for a blade(short of whacking it against rock or metal), so save the nice ones for when you need a sturdier knife, and leave the "easy yet damaging" jobs for the beater knives(or, better yet, a box opener 
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).Safety: Workplace Safety
Seriously.
1. Company policies are shaped by Health & Safety Officers and Insurance Providers.
Safety in the Workplace is a concern, hence the reason companies will set policy requiring the use of issued or approved knives.
Additionally some companies, fall under local rules and regulations of knife laws as well.
a. Job description will dictate what a person will use for task.
IME/IMO The box cutter with retractable "utility" blade , is most often preferred.
Carton cutters , the more thin/flat retractable style, that uses a single edge razor blade is also preferred.
This is the one I personally prefer to use and have used.
Disposable cutters, the ones with snap off blades are allowed in many settings, - however - many of these are under the guise of approval of company regs.
Many places that issue a knife - require the blade NOT be able to "fold" as a safety precaution, - not even "locking" folding knifes.
Fixed, or retractable - for employee safety.
b. Companies have set rules in regard to closed knife size not being over 3", no assisted opening of any kind, no one handed opening , no lock of any kind.
I have been in stores, and employees needed to cut something, and customers offer a personal knife, and the employee inform they can be fired on the spot for using a customers knife. In the same fashion, if a customer asked what personal knife an employee has - that employee can be fired from just producing their knife to show a customer.
Now some employees are just jerks, or want to hurt others, so sometimes a employee will get another another employee in trouble and ask to see their knife, or "oh show the customer what you have" , or even have a friend come in and try to trip them up, by asking them to show a knife, or hand them one to use.
I checked into this.
Some folks could not simply use a one handed knife, instead had to flick it out, and play with it at the workplace.
Folks were spending too much time doing "knife" instead of work.
Employees playing games to snitch on others, for whatever reason, even making up "how that scares me".
Superknife...is catching on.
Problem is, it has a pocket clip, and around some areas, thugs are reading pockets and thinking a person has a CCW.
Smarter thugs know a Superknife clip from a Spyderco etc.
Some settings, the clip scratching mdse is a concern if an employees brushes up against it.
Like anything else, some of this is nothing more than common sense, such as not messing up a good knife, or taking a chance on losing it, or not being covered if one does get a cut - even a cut from something in the warehouse, ( sharp edge on a trash can) and upon review, it comes out they use a non approved tool in the warehouse.
Some of this is over regulated nanny-state of course, still, one continues to fight knife laws and work within guidelines.
I know one place, Approved box cutters in yellow and orange are issued for most.
Electrician's knives, with the locking blade, are only approved for certain workers, such as electricians, and some IT folks.
If one is not approved for the electricians knife, one is best to not have one.
One can state their case for a need for one, and only after the office writes off ( approves this) may they carry one.
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Seriously.
1. Company policies are shaped by Health & Safety Officers and Insurance Providers.
Safety in the Workplace is a concern, hence the reason companies will set policy requiring the use of issued or approved knives.
Additionally some companies, fall under local rules and regulations of knife laws as well.
a. Job description will dictate what a person will use for task.
IME/IMO The box cutter with retractable "utility" blade , is most often preferred.
Carton cutters , the more thin/flat retractable style, that uses a single edge razor blade is also preferred.
This is the one I personally prefer to use and have used.
Disposable cutters, the ones with snap off blades are allowed in many settings, - however - many of these are under the guise of approval of company regs.
Many places that issue a knife - require the blade NOT be able to "fold" as a safety precaution, - not even "locking" folding knifes.
Fixed, or retractable - for employee safety.
b. Companies have set rules in regard to closed knife size not being over 3", no assisted opening of any kind, no one handed opening , no lock of any kind.
I have been in stores, and employees needed to cut something, and customers offer a personal knife, and the employee inform they can be fired on the spot for using a customers knife. In the same fashion, if a customer asked what personal knife an employee has - that employee can be fired from just producing their knife to show a customer.
Now some employees are just jerks, or want to hurt others, so sometimes a employee will get another another employee in trouble and ask to see their knife, or "oh show the customer what you have" , or even have a friend come in and try to trip them up, by asking them to show a knife, or hand them one to use.
I checked into this.
Some folks could not simply use a one handed knife, instead had to flick it out, and play with it at the workplace.
Folks were spending too much time doing "knife" instead of work.
Employees playing games to snitch on others, for whatever reason, even making up "how that scares me".
Superknife...is catching on.
Problem is, it has a pocket clip, and around some areas, thugs are reading pockets and thinking a person has a CCW.
Smarter thugs know a Superknife clip from a Spyderco etc.
Some settings, the clip scratching mdse is a concern if an employees brushes up against it.
Like anything else, some of this is nothing more than common sense, such as not messing up a good knife, or taking a chance on losing it, or not being covered if one does get a cut - even a cut from something in the warehouse, ( sharp edge on a trash can) and upon review, it comes out they use a non approved tool in the warehouse.
Some of this is over regulated nanny-state of course, still, one continues to fight knife laws and work within guidelines.
I know one place, Approved box cutters in yellow and orange are issued for most.
Electrician's knives, with the locking blade, are only approved for certain workers, such as electricians, and some IT folks.
If one is not approved for the electricians knife, one is best to not have one.
One can state their case for a need for one, and only after the office writes off ( approves this) may they carry one.
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sm said:
Good point, I didn't even think of that. Perhaps we are going about this backwards.
Instead of trying to figure out what's permitted, it might be easier to find out what your options are, and pick the one you can live with.
Frankly, that's not as big a deal as you might think. When I went to work as a manager of a bicycle manufacturer, I found I could wear jeans and boots--which I switched over to immediately!
And along with my jeans came the clip knife on my right front pocket--right out where everyone could see. It was about 30 minutes into the day before I got called to my boss' office with a complaint I had a weapon.
I solved my problem by buying a the same knife (a Microtech) with a purple handle. Even the women thought it was cute--not knowing it was the very same one.
You might have to play the game.
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A serrated Spyder gets my vote. I used them at work for years. It is also my choice pocket knife for casual wear. Flat and quite durable.
Shop around. Prices vary.
http://spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?genre=knife
Shop around. Prices vary.
http://spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?genre=knife
Aye Aye Aye, I get home from work Late and come to this site right before bed and theres the answer!
I didnt know how hard it was on a Knife. Until I buy a superknife, I will just kinda break them apart by hand I guess, Those company supplied Box cutters dont cut butter well. Oh the legality of it is fine. I payed attention to peoples pockets today and there were many more knives than I thought(Superknives mostly). It must be allright. I will check to make sure, though.
Haha sm, Thats funny. When I was born my dad put a old school barlow and an RG .22 revolver in my dresser. I shoulda been interested in knives before this. I still have that barlow
Thanks all. Now I know which way is up in knives, Just gatta learn all the other directions
Im gonna get that old hickory knife and stone. Which is better to start with, Coarse or fine?
This is gonna be fun.
I didnt know how hard it was on a Knife. Until I buy a superknife, I will just kinda break them apart by hand I guess, Those company supplied Box cutters dont cut butter well. Oh the legality of it is fine. I payed attention to peoples pockets today and there were many more knives than I thought(Superknives mostly). It must be allright. I will check to make sure, though.
Haha sm, Thats funny. When I was born my dad put a old school barlow and an RG .22 revolver in my dresser. I shoulda been interested in knives before this. I still have that barlow
Thanks all. Now I know which way is up in knives, Just gatta learn all the other directions
Im gonna get that old hickory knife and stone. Which is better to start with, Coarse or fine?
This is gonna be fun.
You could get a double-sided stone, one coarse and one fine. I just bought a new Old Hickory -- we've been recommending these so much lately, but I haven't bought a new one ever. I just inherited a bunch of them, and bought a few at yard sales and flea markets. So I bought a new one for 5.95 yesterday, and I'm going to put a good edge on it, maybe make a little belt pouch for it, slick up the handle -- it'll be the fanciest Old Hickory around! Just thought I'd put a new one to the test.
Norton India IB6 (six inches) or IB8 (eight inches) is a Coarse /Fine stone.
Just a proven stone that will sharpen Carbon Steel, Chrome Vanadium and most anything else like 440C
From this, one can strop on cardboard , or an old belt.
Just basic skill sets, with a stone that works.
One can move onto a finer grit stone if need, still this stone is fine for what most folks really use a knife for around the house and yard.
Here is the deal, learn the correct basics, and one can get a knife sharp with this stone.
One can also never learn to get a knife sharp, no matter what system, how much it costs, or how fine a grit.
Invest in skill sets not equipment to learn the correct basics.
Just a proven stone that will sharpen Carbon Steel, Chrome Vanadium and most anything else like 440C
From this, one can strop on cardboard , or an old belt.
Just basic skill sets, with a stone that works.
One can move onto a finer grit stone if need, still this stone is fine for what most folks really use a knife for around the house and yard.
Here is the deal, learn the correct basics, and one can get a knife sharp with this stone.
One can also never learn to get a knife sharp, no matter what system, how much it costs, or how fine a grit.
Invest in skill sets not equipment to learn the correct basics.
Why you should get the Needs Work
It looks cool (I think)
The Sandvik 13C26 steel is really nice for sharpening. It doesn't dull fast, but it sure sharpens fast.
From this review:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538249
It looks cool (I think)
The Sandvik 13C26 steel is really nice for sharpening. It doesn't dull fast, but it sure sharpens fast.
From this review:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538249
Ok tourist where in the original post does it say a super knife is not allowed? I don't believe a superknife is classified as a box cutter...
I agree and was thinking along the same lines of request replacement blades....
tallpaul said:
The OP said this:
Mavrick12 said:
Since I consider a SuperKnife to be foremeost a box cutter, I took his post to mean that he could not buy his own.
I leave my SuperKnives near the door for the large number of parcels we get. Most times in a week, my SuperKnives duties have been 100% for incoming UPS packages.
just because YOU call it a box cutter and it fills the role well does not make it so... it is a versatile knife and as far as I know not advertised as a boxcutter or named one. If using your definition - any knife could be a boxcutter.
BTW I bought several of the first ones I saw- they are handy and extremely practical. I just wish they made a high quality one...
then again mybe you call semi auto rifles assault rifles too
BTW I bought several of the first ones I saw- they are handy and extremely practical. I just wish they made a high quality one...
then again mybe you call semi auto rifles assault rifles too
Just because cardboard is kinda tough on a knife edge, doesn't mean that it's gonna wear out in two weeks over it. There are folks who test edge durability cutting strips outta the stuff. IIRC, the last guy I read who did that used a Case Peanut in stainless and another in CV (high carbon, will rust) steels to compare. He made a bunch of 6" long strips with both of them, around a hundred each, and the edges lasted very similar amounts of time. Like, maybe a dozen cuts different between the two.
I've taken all my favorite knives out to the trash can with a pile of boxes and chopped them up, just looking to see which I liked using for that chore best. It's all just fun, but none of them take any time to clean up the edge after. Biggest chore is cleaning up the glue after opening packages, and wiping the blade with a papertowel soaked in mineral oil cleans it right up -- a lot faster and more effectively than soap and water.
So, get the knife you want. Use it the way you want. If/when you wear it out, thank the Lord you've lived that long, and buy another one. I've never personally really worn a knife completely out. I have one that I've had for 15 years that I won't use anymore because it needs to be rebuilt, but it's still useable, the blades are in great shape, and if it were the only knife I had, like its twin I had as a teenager was, you bet I'd put it in my pocket.
I've taken all my favorite knives out to the trash can with a pile of boxes and chopped them up, just looking to see which I liked using for that chore best. It's all just fun, but none of them take any time to clean up the edge after. Biggest chore is cleaning up the glue after opening packages, and wiping the blade with a papertowel soaked in mineral oil cleans it right up -- a lot faster and more effectively than soap and water.
So, get the knife you want. Use it the way you want. If/when you wear it out, thank the Lord you've lived that long, and buy another one. I've never personally really worn a knife completely out. I have one that I've had for 15 years that I won't use anymore because it needs to be rebuilt, but it's still useable, the blades are in great shape, and if it were the only knife I had, like its twin I had as a teenager was, you bet I'd put it in my pocket.
Ka-Bar TDI (Large)
$40
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/38603-47368-1259.html
You'll like the angle for that kinda work and it's made of good steel. (AUS-8)
# 440A - 440B - 440C - All three resist rust well, with 440A being the most resistant and 440C the least. If your knife is marked with just 440, it is probably the less expensive 440A. In general the 440A is just good enough for everyday use, 440B is a solid performer and 440C being excellent.
# AUS-8 - Japanese stainless steel, roughly compared to 440B.
$40
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/38603-47368-1259.html
You'll like the angle for that kinda work and it's made of good steel. (AUS-8)
# 440A - 440B - 440C - All three resist rust well, with 440A being the most resistant and 440C the least. If your knife is marked with just 440, it is probably the less expensive 440A. In general the 440A is just good enough for everyday use, 440B is a solid performer and 440C being excellent.
# AUS-8 - Japanese stainless steel, roughly compared to 440B.
CRKT edgie, it sharpens itself! you can't beat that for boxes! I've got one and if need be I'd use that day in and out no lock but hey they're just boxes!
Carton Cutter is what like.
https://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(...etails.aspx?SKU=998007485&SessionExpired=True
Takes a single edge razor blade, when it gets dull, remove and insert the other end of blade and this way one essentially gets two blades from one blade.
Besides cutting, this cutter also allows one to remove blade, and re insert into the bottom of handle to have a scraper , which is ideal to remove decals.
I keep one in the truck, and one huge tip, is when is traveling, and bugs get all on a windshield, is to use this scraper to remove bugs, then use the windshield cleaning tool at the gas station to get a clean windshield.
Removes bugs from head lights too.
Flat, no clip, no lanyard hole, just a flat light weight tool that is easy to open and close one handed, as it retracts into self, and there is nothing that folds, so nothing to fold and close up, or break.
Growing up, all the grocery store employees had these, as the various vendors for Coke, Coffee, Sugar, Flour, Molasses, Baby Food and everyone gave these to grocery stores.
Same thing for hardware, drug stores, tractor supply, feed and seed, automotive...
I still prefer these to box cutters, and super knives.
Then again I "are" old.
*wink*
https://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(...etails.aspx?SKU=998007485&SessionExpired=True
Takes a single edge razor blade, when it gets dull, remove and insert the other end of blade and this way one essentially gets two blades from one blade.
Besides cutting, this cutter also allows one to remove blade, and re insert into the bottom of handle to have a scraper , which is ideal to remove decals.
I keep one in the truck, and one huge tip, is when is traveling, and bugs get all on a windshield, is to use this scraper to remove bugs, then use the windshield cleaning tool at the gas station to get a clean windshield.
Removes bugs from head lights too.
Flat, no clip, no lanyard hole, just a flat light weight tool that is easy to open and close one handed, as it retracts into self, and there is nothing that folds, so nothing to fold and close up, or break.
Growing up, all the grocery store employees had these, as the various vendors for Coke, Coffee, Sugar, Flour, Molasses, Baby Food and everyone gave these to grocery stores.
Same thing for hardware, drug stores, tractor supply, feed and seed, automotive...
I still prefer these to box cutters, and super knives.
Then again I "are" old.
*wink*
tallpaul said:
I've had good luck with the ones I bought. In fact, one of the purple ones was one of the first items they made.
As to definition, that's an area for debate. What my clients call "that flat spot" in reality is the "ricasso." I don't get bent out of shape.
However, within our current terms of defining cutting tools, if the knife in question has a permanent handle and a disposable razor blade, it's a "box cutter."
Frankly, I consider the SuperKnife a great idea and one of the most useful tools out there. Even a guy who is all thumbs can have a razor sharp blade with him every day. I use mine every day after the UPS delivery and I'm still on my first dispenser of Stanley blades. (When one side dulls, you just turn it around.)
Considering all of the shrink wrap, cardboard and string I cut in a day, I prefer my Razel. Of course, my sharpening tools are right there in front of me at work. Not everyone is that lucky. For them, the SuperKnife provides the same advantage--razor sharp tool, instant replacement.
BTW, if I'm assaulted by a Daisy BB gun, then that Red Rider is, in fact, an "assault rifle," isn't it.
Actually down here in da South where I is...
Southern Attitude Adjustment Tool.
Then again we use this term for hickory axe handles and other "tools" too.
*grin*
sm said:
Here is Wisconsin at least one of the spare tires in a new car must be a "cheese wheel" and you must bow your head when you say "Favre."
On the bright side, if law enforcement catches you with Kuryakyn chrome on real Harley-Davidson, it is now only a misdemeanor.
Grocery store employees around here are using paring knives or boxcutters. Some of them have both on their belts, in leather pouches. Some of the paring knives look like they are decent quality, others are the 1 or 2 dollar giveaways.
That's what gave me the idea to actually slick up a good one and carry it around. I think my dad may have a kitten if he ever sees me with it, but I think it will be fun. And a bit funny!
That's what gave me the idea to actually slick up a good one and carry it around. I think my dad may have a kitten if he ever sees me with it, but I think it will be fun. And a bit funny!
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