Need a source for MILSURP .303 Brit ammo

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I've been looking for some British .303 military surplus ammo and have had no luck. Seems like all the places I used to purchase this ammo from is either out of stock or they haven't carried it in a long time.

I'd appreciate hearing from someone that has a source for in stock surplus ammo. I'm NOT interested in any of the FMJ commercial stuff that is available for about $12-15 per box of 20 rds. If that's all that's out there I'll stick with reloading the gallery loads that I've been shooting out of my recently acquired Long Branch No 4 MK 1*.

On a side note - If there is anyone near Atlanta, GA that has some and would be interested in trading for either factory 5.56/.223, .45ACP, 7.62x39mm (The good steel core stuff - which is NOT illegal to sell or trade) or .357 SIG drop me an e mail.

TIA,

Rob
 
Try local gunshops and gunsmiths. I scrounged up a few boxes from one a while back, they had forgotten about.

Other than that, gun shows have some. Last one, I passed on tracer and AP .303.
 
as a side note, can anyone direct me to .303 ammo that doesn't have an undercut at the rim?

all the aftermarket ammo i've seen has an extraction groove cut into brass just in front of the rim, which is just wide enough for the rim of the next round to slide in. this results in a rimlock like situation and double feeds.
 
PMC brass has the groove, but it's too narrow for a rim to slip into it. That's what I wind up using for my handloads.
 
Thanks for the pointer to SAMCO. I just placed an order with them for:

".303 BRITISH BALL Manufactured in the 50's in U.K., FMJ, C/BE 174 gr. Packed 32 rds per box, 288 rds per wooden case. Wt. 28# per case..
.169 cents per Round. $48.67 per case."

Total with shipping charges to my door was $67.32. or about .24 cents per round - I can live with that price.

Rob
 
Rob -- I wish I could have caught you before you ordered that POF ammo...especially a case of it.

I have over 200 rounds of the stuff and really don't want to shoot it anymore. It might be accurate (doubt it) but I really can't tell. Of the 75 rounds of it I've shot to date, the ignition varies from immediate to hangfire of a 1/2 second or so (sort of like shooting a flintlock ;) ) And it isn't just one or two round out of a box...more like 60-70% have this entertaining variable ignition "feature"

I'd go with the commercially loaded stuff unless you just want to make noise and aren't concerned with actually hitting anything.
 
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That AIM stuff is P.O.F. Pakistani Ordnance Factory.
 
POF ammo is crusty, has a reputation (well deserved) for hang fires and split necks. It's pretty much....oh, what's the word? Crap.

That's about all that's out there at the moment, but I'm sure more .303 will turn up in the future. There is still some in Greece, Belize still has millions of Radway Green, South African might show up again, etc.

Just shoot the good stuff until it shows up, reload, or slug it out with corrosive click-bang pakistani crap.
 
Beware of the POF as much of it is loaded with cordite and will erode the barrel in addition to corrosive nature of the salts. It doesn't fire worth a crap and is a mess to clean up after. But, think about it, it comes from Pakistan. That isn't to say negative things about the people, but it isn't a wealthy country, is smaller than its mortal enemy, India, and needs all the small arms it can get. If Pakistan is surplusing anything, ammo or rifles, it is most likely in rough shape and deemed no longer good enough to use.

The Greek stuff is pretty good and comes in 48 rounds boxes or bandoleers loaded on Enfield chargers.

Ash
 
Rob62,

I just got a flyer from SOG International saying that they had .303British. Not sure of the price or the manufacturer (don't have the flyer with me), but their website is www.southernohiogun.com. Give them a call.

Also, Classic Pawn has had surplus .303British at local gunshows in the past. Once again, I'm unsure of the manufacturer, but they should be at this weekends eastman show in Norcross.
 
D'oh! Glad I only got a few boxes of it sent with my Enfield. Alright, need to stay away from Indian AND Pakistani ammo.
 
iamkris,

According to the SAMCO web site the ammo I ordered was not the POF, unless POF ammo was/is made in the UK. I know they are also selling POF but they did list some UK (United Kingdom) manufactured 303 Brit ammo- this is the stuff I ordered.

It will be interesting to see if I actually get UK made ammo.

Directly from the SAMCO web site about the ammo I ordered.

".303 BRITISH BALL Manufactured in the 50's in U.K., FMJ, C/BE 174 gr. Packed 32 rds per box, 288 rds per wooden case. Wt. 28# per case"

BTW - I was aware fo the problems people are having with POF ammo but I probably would have gotten some anyway.

iamkris - if you want to sell the remaining 200 rds of POF ammo you have cheap let me know how much you want for it, I'm willing to try it if the price is right.

Rob
 
It's not surplus, but PMP at $5.99 a box at Dumham's Sunday special sale, why buy nasty 50 year old ammo? PMP is South African, and it's great factory ammo, and it's reloadable.
I guess you are trying to save a buck, but old surplus ammo needs to be priced like old surplus.....
I guess the importers think they can jack up the price to almost new ammo pricing. I have seen this with 303, 30 carbine, and 30-06. Supply is short, and demand high, but I don't get it when you can buy new factory ammo for about the same price.....
 
Sorry to hear that - it's been doing OK for me. The PMP and UMC brass has a much more pronounced undercut, and I've had some issues with them.

I have noticed that PMC brass is somewhat inconsistent from lot to lot and between the different lines withitn their product mix. The brass I'm using for my reloads actually came from their Silver Line (Sierra GameKing/MatchKing), and its undercut very shallow and is only about half the width of a 303R rim.
 
I've had very good luck with the Bosnian "Hotshot" .303 new manufacture. 180 GR FMJ. Works well, quality brass for reloading and just a bit cheaper than S&B. :)
 
Rob -- good to hear you bought the British stuff. Sorry I didn't read your original post close enough :eek: Let us know how that British stuff works out. If it's good, I'll be sure to order some also.
 
Follow Up

The SAMCO Ammo I ordered came in. As posted on their web site it was UK manufacture. To be speciffic, from the headstamp, it was made by the Royal Ordnance Factory at Woolrich, London in 1952.

The ammo came in a "mini" original wooden ammo crate/case. Inside there was a "sardine can" that held the 32rd boxes. Upon examination of the ammo it appeard to be in as good condition as the day it was made.

I haven't shot any of the ammo yet but hope to get out to the range tomorrow, weather permitting.


Rob
 
Today I got out to the range to try out some of this ammo. The weather was cold, overcast, and misting.

All groups were shot at 100 yds off of a bench using sandbags under the fore end and butt stock.

The ammo I got from SAMCO was ROF dated 23 May 1952. The 32rd box that it came in was stamped “H3282”, “I.S.A.A.” and “MK7”. So this clearly was MK7 ammo, but by 1952 I’m not sure anyone was making anything besides that anyway.

I shot a total of 15 rounds in 3ea 5 shot groups. Results were 5-6” groups. This was with the iron battle sight as well as using the ladder peep set at its lowest setting.

I was surprised by the fact that this ammo had “Hangfires”. I’ve actually never had a hangfire before that I can remember, so this was a unique experience for me. About 8-10 of the 15rds hangfired. The brass case was berdan primed so reloading it is not an option. I doubt that I'll be purchasing any more any time soon. I can live with the hangfires for the shooting purposes I wanted this ammo for - general plinking. But I've decided that as a general rule I'll try to stay away from ammo that hangfires.

Next up was some ammo I believe originated in Greece. The headstamp is “HXP” and “85”. If my headsatmp reference guide is correct then this ammo was made by the Greek Powder & Cartridge Company, Athens, Greece.

Anyway this ammo looked GREAT. From a strictly aesthetic point the cartridges were bright and shiny. It looked the best of the 3 types of MILSURP I had on hand. I only wish it shot as good as it looked. The best group I got was about 5”. I hot a total of 2 groups. This stuff is boxer primed and the cases are already out of the tumbler and ready to reload. I was somewhat disappointed by the performance. I had read that Greek .303 was super accurate. Judging by my very limited tests I guess I had a bad lot. To bad I only have a few rounds left so I can’t do much more testing. I'd really like more of this ammo. FWIW - this ammo seemed to shooter "hotter" than the other 2.

Next up was some of the Pakistani ammo that everyone complains about. It is POF, headstamped and dated 30 September 1966 on the 32rd boxes. I've had this ammo in stoarge for about 7 years. This was very interesting to shoot. I shot about 4 groups using this stuff, one group was a hair under 2”. All the other groups were in the 5-6” range. I’m not sure how I got such a wide variance. Everything I shot today was in the 5-6” range with the exception being one 2” group with this ammo. **95%+** of this stuff hangfired. I also had some type of filler material come out of the end of the barrel while shooting. It seemed like a fine pulverized material. Upon taking a round appart when I got home I found something I had not encountered before. First off there was a paper/cardboard wad over the powder. When I removed this wad I discovered something I had never seen before. The powder wasn’t. If I had to guess I would guess it was some form of Cordite. There were multiple amber colored thin straight cylinders arranged side by side running from the flash hole up to the wad filler.

Last up were some gallery loads that I load using wheel weight lead cast bullets. I use a Lee .312 mold that IIRC drops a bullet in the 180 grain range. I water quench these bullets when dropped from the mold and shoot as cast (I don’t size them). They are lubed with Lee Alox lube. I am loading these bullets in front of 4.5 grains of Bullseye. I have no idea what the MV is but guess it’s not much. I had to adjust my rear sight to the 800M setting to get them to hit the POA. Overall these loads shot pretty well. I was consistently hitting a small coffee can that someone had hung up as a target.

As soon as I can get my Lee lead pot fixed I’m going to cast some more of these bullet and plan on this load being what gets shot through this gun the most.

Good Shooting,

Rob
 
Thanks for the report. I didn't realize the ROF stuff wasn't reloadable. Good info.
 
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