Need advice on custom hunting rifle purchase

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Which of the following do you consider the best bang for the buck?

Ed Brown:
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00132.1.475683963373213234

NorCal Precision:
http://www.norcalprecision.com/productscivilian.html

McMillan Bros:
http://www.mcbrosrifles.com/hunter.htm

Christenson Arms:
http://www.christensenarms.com/rifles.asp

H-S Precision:
http://www.hsprecision.com/new_spr.htm


I know they are all wonderful guns, but unfortunately, I can only buy one. I would be especially interested in hearing from owners of one of these rifles. Any other suggestions are welcome.

Thanks for your help.
 
Well I'll start by saying I have never seen a NorCal rifle, or heard of them for that matter. The Christiansen Arms did'nt have prices but as I recall aren't they around $4K? I'm throwing it out of consideration just because I don't see me paying extra for the composite barrel.

In my mind the Ed Brown is the gold standard out of the group you mention. If I was choosing something from your list other than the Brown it would have to be significantly better, different or cheaper. They are well proven, and made by someone that knows guns.

Based on the above, I'd not consider a Mcmillan, it costs $6-800 more and I don't see what you're getting for that. It won't be significantly better built, or more reliable, or more accurate. It certainly doesn't look any better, no fancy walnut, deep gloss blueing, or engraving to make up the difference.

The HS hunting rifle looks very interesting though, decent price and they have a very good reputation among the tactical rifle crowd. It seemed a little cheaper than the Ed Brown, but probably not enough to sway me. I also have not handled one of these so that owuld be an issue.

As I sit here though, I can't believe they are selling the HS for only $2200, that does seem like a good price in this range of guns.
 
I just went through the same dilemma.

I was looking to buy one really nice rifle and shoot it exclusively for hunting.

I was trying to find a left handed bolt action in 260 Remington. I also wanted something different than every other Remington and Winchester.

I originally saw the Ed Brown Damara and was delighted. I had every intention of purchasing one. While talking it over with a gun friend, he suggested I look into HS Precision. He provided a catalog and their guns looked very nice.

I still wanted the Ed Brown though. I was poised to submit my order, then I realized the SHOT Show was forthcoming. I requested another friend to do some hands on research for me. He fondled both guns at the show and asked the reps some questions for me.

Now, I can't remember exactly what was said about both guns. What I do remember is that he asked the Ed Brown rep how accurate their rifles were. The gentleman responded that they'll shoot 1"-1 1/2" at 100 yards. Now I don't know about you, but I expect a heck of a lot more for the expense.

[Straight from the Ed Brown website.

Do you have an accuracy guarantee? How accurate are your rifles?

With properly tuned handloads, a good shooter, good optics, and good conditions, our rifles are extremely accurate. In fact, our rifles are 100% as accurate as these variables allow. We consistently see our Tactical series rifles, and our Compact Varmint hunting rifles, group at 1/2" or less at 100 yards with quality factory match ammunition. Our Savanna hunting rifle will normally shoot 1/2" to 1" at 100 yards with tuned hand loads. Our Damara normally shoots 3/4" to 1 1/4" with tuned hand loads. Many bullets and cartridges, and most factory hunting ammunition, are simply not consistently capable of this type of accuracy, no matter what the gun maker does. Because of all the variables involved which are out of our control, we do not offer any written accuracy guarantee. We will guarantee that our rifles are as accurate as any maker in the world, and are much better than most. We can assure this due to the fact we make our own action in house. We don't offer a re-worked, re-cycled, re-barreled factory action. The components we do purchase from outside vendors, such as the barrels, come from only the most reliable sort we have had long relationships with. These barrels are painstakingly hand lapped, then carefully fitted and chambered on state-of-the-art equipment using only precision reamers ground to our specifications. The bottom line is our rifles will always offer 100% of the accuracy your ammunition, your optics, the conditions, and you, are capable of.]

I went back to the drawing board. Once again my other friend suggested HS. I looked carefully at their catalog and was still impressed by their work. All their guns are designed and manufactured in their factory in the USA. Their own proprietary action and barrel. They are also the worlds foremost producer of ballistic test barrels. Hell, they make take-down rifles and still guarantee accurate results!

1/2" or less 3-shot groups at 100 is their guarantee on 30 caliber or smaller. Any standard SAAMI caliber, custom length of pull, custom stock color, matte teflon coating for weather resistance. My God man, how can you go wrong?

I ordered a left-handed lightweight Sporter in .260 Remington with the Grassland camo stock. I placed a Leupold 4.5-14 on top of it and I can routinely hit soda cans at 400 yards. My best 3-shot group is a .192" using match components.

And the best part? The HS costs less than everything else.

I guess the best endorsement I can give is to say that I'd gladly give another $2,500 for a piece of art that shoots as well as this one does.

Ed

FWIW, If I plan on spending over $2,000 on a gun, the last thing I want is another dressed up Remington.

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esheato,

Thanks much for your excellent review. I was leaning towards the H-S rifle, but figured there had to be a catch since it was so much less than the competition. I agree, H-S gives lots of options at a price that is significantly less.
 
Your very welcome.

Oddly enough, a local store had an Ed Brown and a Dakota (ohhh, what I would do for a beautiful Model 10) in sporter configuration on the rack after I received my HS. I didn't like either of them. They both felt like clubs when I put them to my shoulder. Also of note, they were both significantly more expensive.

The only downside that I can think of is HS' lead time. I was quoted three months for my rifle to be built. I started calling at the four month mark and I received it at six months. :rolleyes: In the big picture, custom is custom...and they always go over their deadline, no matter the manufacturer.

Another item I forgot, the gun comes with a test target showing exactly the load used for the group. It also comes with a statement of findings. It details the barrels serial number, the bore diameter, groove, twist, etc. It also details all the pertinent stock information....LOP, serial, appearance QC, etc. Lastly, there is a statement that certifies conformance with their contracted requirements in providing a service. The point I'm trying to make, it's obvious that they take pride in their work. In this day and age, I appreciate that and I show my appreciation by buying their guns.

For the record, I just bought a Ed Brown pistol. I have nothing against them, and I'm quite excited to take delivery of it. Simply put, their rifle didn't fit my requirements.

Ed
 
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If you plan on going in the field with it, the Christiansen Arms really looks good.
If you have never picked up a carbon fiber weapon, they are amazingly tough, and they will surprise you as to how light they are.
 
Oddly enough, a local store had an Ed Brown and a Dakota (ohhh, what I would do for a beautiful Model 10) in sporter configuration on the rack after I received my HS. I didn't like either of them. They both felt like clubs when I put them to my shoulder. Also of note, they were both significantly more expensive.

The only downside that I can think of is HS' lead time. I was quoted three months for my rifle to be built. I started calling at the four month mark and I received it at six months. In the big picture, custom is custom...and they always go over their deadline, no matter the manufacturer.

Another item I forgot, the gun comes with a test target showing exactly the load used for the group. It also comes with a statement of findings. It details the barrels serial number, the bore diameter, groove, twist, etc. It also details all the pertinent stock information....LOP, serial, appearance QC, etc. Lastly, there is a statement that certifies conformance with their contracted requirements in providing a service. The point I'm trying to make, it's obvious that they take pride in their work. In this day and age, I appreciate that and I show my appreciation by buying their guns.

For the record, I just bought a Ed Brown pistol. I have nothing against them, and I'm quite excited to take delivery of it. Simply put, their rifle didn't fit my requirements.
Very interesting. I also bought an Ed Brown pistol about a year ago (Kobra Carry). I agree that it is an excellent gun, but a little overpriced compared to my Les Baers'. I too will be pruchasing a LH model rifle, so your comments on the ergonomics, and especially the timeframe for receipt, are helpful. Thanks again.

If you plan on going in the field with it, the Christiansen Arms really looks good. If you have never picked up a carbon fiber weapon, they are amazingly tough, and they will surprise you as to how light they are.
Their rifles do look good, but I am concerned about the lack of feedback I can find out about the company.
 
(I promise this is the last thing) Please let me know what you decide and the factors that influenced your decision. I'm curious about the outcome.

Ed
 
I just wanted to add that HS Precision has the BEST customer service ever (except maybe for Nightforce, which you should put on your HS Precision). They will absolutely do anything within their power to help you out, no matter what your problem, and they'll do it FAST.

HS Precision and Nightforce, is there any better combination?
 
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