Negligent Discharge Today

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I saw this happen

Truth is, you can follow the 4 rules and still have an AD. It happened to me at the range once. I was shooting my old CZ52. I inserted a loaded mag and racked the slide. Checked to make sure the safety was off and started putting holes in the target. After my 3rd shot, the range instructor told everyone to finish out their current mag and put the weapons down for a cease fire. Alright, no problem. Finger out of trigger guard, pistol pointed downrange, pushed the decocker to "safely" drop the hammer before taking the mag out. *click* <2 seconds> *BLAM*. Not sure why, but the primer ignited 2 seconds after the decocker engauged. The stray round impacted the dirt embankment downrange.

My brother had a well worn SIG226 (probably well over 20k rounds) and at the range he hit the decocker and BAM! We both lookat at each other like ***? Also, I always use the slide lock to indicate to me and everyone else that the weapon is clear ever since I saw a rookie who had only shot 1911's have a AD when he put his Glock down on the range table and it "Just went off". What most likely happened was that he had gotten careless about putting his finger on the trigger because his 1911 was "on safe". He had quite a nasty cut and a big old welt on his hand, but the round at least went down range.
 
I've never had a true AD/ND but something you could call an almost.

While testing my reloaded ammo in a revolver single action my finger applied a little too much pressure to the trigger and I squeezed a round off before I intended to. This actually happened twice to me but will never happen again. Since the revolver was pointed down-range there was no chance of hurting anyone and nobody at the range even knew but I was sure to take note of what happened. "Stuff" happens all the time but like everyone else has already said, if you follow the rules the chance of someone getting hurt is minimized.

Unless you are sure the discharge was due to out right carelessness you shouldn't judge.
 
Babalouie......... I am with you !! I can't believe what I am reading here. At a time when gun control nuts are screaming to take away our rights to own weapons to protect ourselves.

What most of you are casually brushing to the side are stories of NEGLIGENCE !! Who wants that person in their home carrying a loaded weapon [ around your children ] not me. There is a huge difference between an A.D. and a NELIGENT discharge..........HUGE !!!!

The people saying that everyone will have a NEGLIGENT discharge are just plain wrong IMHO ......... only NEGLIGENT people will have those kinds of deadly mistakes........

Sure there are times when a weapon will malfunction .......... and the gun will discharge accidentially. All of us are subject to that occurrence........ but that is NOT the same as the weapon going off through NEGLIGENCE.
I hope everyone gets the difference here...........

JF.
 
Its really not about being judgemental and I understand the dynamics of accidents. But a negligent discharge of a firearm must have a greater response than "we raised our eyebrows", no offense to the original poster. The point I am making is that, because firearms are so deadly, social convention ie looking the other way or being overly gracious cannot take precedent over future safety. The very nature of the "accident" shows that someone needs additional training and has indeed placed everyone at the range at risk. This incident should have had an immediate response, investigation and debriefing. I regret my use of the word "idiot" in my first post and in fact do not think that way. I do not believe the person should be shamed but should be held accountable. The idea of a "debrief" is appropriate to the level of accountability and would be a sufficient learning tool for all involved.
 
My brother had a well worn SIG226 (probably well over 20k rounds) and at the range he hit the decocker and BAM! We both lookat at each other like ***?

There would have to be multiple catastrophically-failed systems on a 226 in order for this to happen...
 
What most of you are casually brushing to the side are stories of NEGLIGENCE !! Who wants that person in their home carrying a loaded weapon [ around your children ] not me. There is a huge difference between an A.D. and a NELIGENT discharge..........HUGE !!!!
Re-reading through this thread, I do not see anyone "casually brushing to the side" stories of NDs. Yes, they're serious. But I submit that oftentimes, even among folks who live with guns and especially perhaps, those who use them as part of their chosen profession, i.e., law enforcement and military, occasionally, despite the best training and the most rigorous of range supervision, NDs will inevitably occur.

They should be seriously dealt with in most communities, and in most communities (e.g., law enforcement agencies, military, gun clubs) they will be seriously dealt with. But, regardless, they'll still happen. And it's NOT necessarily the neophyte shooter or the local "moron" that they happen to. See, sometimes even those who spend the most time around guns become the most complacent -- we know it can't happen to us ... But, one day, for whatever reason -- fatigue, haste, adrenalin, preoccupation with something else -- the brain misses a connection, one vital step that one's brain normally has locked in ... then, BAM.

I do not think Jeff Cooper "casually brushed aside" his own ND. And he was man enough to admit happened to him -- and he was a man of no small ego.

At any rate, those who use guns for a living, and those who frequent ranges, are normally far better at policing the gun/shooting community that society overall is at dealing with all of those knuckleheads on our roadways who should not be operating motor vehicles out there around our families. I'm far more outraged about bad drivers, who constitute a significantly higher proportion of our population than morons at the range.

Babalouie, I totally agree with what you say here:
But a negligent discharge of a firearm must have a greater response than "we raised our eyebrows", no offense to the original poster. The point I am making is that, because firearms are so deadly, social convention ie looking the other way or being overly gracious cannot take precedent over future safety. The very nature of the "accident" shows that someone needs additional training and has indeed placed everyone at the range at risk. This incident should have had an immediate response, investigation and debriefing. I regret my use of the word "idiot" in my first post and in fact do not think that way. I do not believe the person should be shamed but should be held accountable. The idea of a "debrief" is appropriate to the level of accountability and would be a sufficient learning tool for all involved.
 
Well, the thing to avoid them is repetition, repetition, and repetition again. If you think it's unloaded, dump the magazine, open the cylinder and verify. ALWAYS hand it to another person with slide racked back, or cylinder open.
I have actually gotten discounts by handing the gun back like that after taking a look at it.
 
Wow, I cannot believe what I am reading. There is NO comfort to the anyone NEGLIGENT DISCHARGING EVER. It was stupid and deadly and probably criminal. I have no problem extending grace but not ever for a negligent discharge (An AD, yes but a NG NO). There is no excuse and I don't care if it has happened to you or not. What that person allowed to happen placed everyone in extreem danger including death. If someone you know was killed by some idiot who can't follow four easy rules HE SHOULD NOT OWN A GUN!!!! and you'd be singing a different tune. It is incidents like this that blacken our sport and place at further risk our second ammend. rights. I'm not saying he couldn't be forgiven but at the very least the incident should be debriefed, learned from and the person should be REQUIRED to attend a gun safety course. If that happened at our club it would not go without a serious response... If safety is first and foremost how can anyone excuse this behavior? This is deadly stuff, you don't get do-overs folks and the response to ND's must be powerful. I AM NOT SAYING THE PERSON SHOULD BE BANNED. But there must be some response to assure everyone at that club that they are safe.


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The important thing to remember, Babaloo, is that the four rules cannot prevent all AD or ND. The four rules keep people from dying when something goes wrong, beit negligence or accidental. Disobeying any of the rules puts the environment around the gun at risk. They are guide-lines to protecting others, not the gun or self.
 
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