"Negroes With Guns" Documentary

[LMC]

Jesse jackson is a black David duke

As far as Mr. lincoln goes he was a great man plain and simple.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

I love this stuff. In my state of MO, to this day there is a Jim Crow Law in the form of handgun permits. This permit was never given to black people until the civil rights movement.

It is an evil legacy to be wiped out now.

Blacks were test cases for some of the 1st gun control, and I still contend blacks, along with Jews, and any other repressed minorities (currently or in the past) should be the biggest defenders of rkba.

Too sad that all too often, they are not.

 

[lostone1413]

Why is it the term repressed minorities get under my skin so much.Maybe because the majority of the minorities blame the evil white people for everything. Funny I can't think of one minority group who hasn't benefited from knowing the White People. I can't think of one example were it works the other way

 

[Cosmoline]

Ah yes. The tangible benefits

 

[Otherguy Overby]

From the emancipation proclamation-

"And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons."

CT

What you quote is very much like what the anti-gun people do with the second ammendment.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,... They leave out the rest.

There's more after your quote of the proclamation, all the exclusions. The proclamation only freed the slaves in the seceding/rebelling states. You may also recall that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't happen until the war had been going on for two years or so.

 

[Byron Quick]

People,

Art has already asked you politely to get back on the original topic of the thread. You can take discussion of Lincoln's sins, the War of Northern Aggression, the Emancipation Proclamation, Reconstruction, the founding of the Ku Klux Klan, and the sins of the Democratic and Republican Parties to PM and/or to APS.

Discussion of the racist beginnings of gun control, the continuing racism of gun control advocates supporting policies that prevent poor blacks from legally obtaining firearms, and Negroes with guns can continue.

Art's probably going to stomp on the thread if y'all continue with the offtopic chatter.

Your choice.

 

[Baba Louie]

From the film's website... http://www.jou.ufl.edu/documentary/negroeswithguns/

The story of a forgotten civil rights figure who dared to advocate armed resistance to the violence of the Jim Crow South.

The Documentary Institute team of filmmakers, Sandra Dickson, Churchill Roberts, Cindy Hill and Cara Pilson, who previously collaborated on the critically acclaimed FREEDOM NEVER DIES: THE LEGACY OF HARRY T. MOORE, announced completion of their latest documentary, NEGROES WITH GUNS: ROB WILLIAMS AND BLACK POWER. Featuring a score by Terence Blanchard, NEGROES WITH GUNS combines modern-day interviews with rare archival news footage to tell the story of Rob Williams, the forefather of the Black Power movement and a complex man who played a pivotal role in the struggle for respect, dignity and equality for all Americans.

Williams, dubbed the “violent crusader” by some, intended his philosophy of armed self-defense to work in concert with non-violent resistance; instead, he became the catalyst for what has been called a national showdown between these two opposing philosophies of the civil rights movement. In August 1961, Freedom Riders came to Monroe, North Carolina—Williams’ hometown—to assist Williams in his civil rights struggle and demonstrate that passive resistance rather than armed self-defense was the superior tactic in the civil rights struggle. But on August 27th all hell broke loose. By the end of the day, Freedom Riders had been bloodied, beaten, and jailed and Rob Williams was on the run from the FBI.

NEGROES WITH GUNS is not only an incisive look at a truly fascinating man but also a thought-provoking examination of our notions of patriotism and the acceptable limits of dissent.

 

[Kodiaz]

Hey wait a minute on attacking the Confederacy. They made one mistake and granted it was huge(Not freeing the slaves). But they did fight for home rule against a federal government that was taking more power than it should. If they would have freed the slaves the cause of the Confederacy would have been right and just. A lot of those Confederate soldiers were like us they didn't own slaves but they saw the federal government taking more and more power they stood for the things we believe in now. Don't knock those men they would stand with you for the constitution. Their government failed them.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Hey wait a minute on attacking the Confederacy. They made one mistake and granted it was huge(Not freeing the slaves). But they did fight for home rule against a federal government that was taking more power than it should. If they would have freed the slaves the cause of the Confederacy would have been right and just. A lot of those Confederate soldiers were like us they didn't own slaves but they saw the federal government taking more and more power they stood for the things we believe in now. Don't knock those men they would stand with you for the constitution. Their government failed them.

And if THATS not about civil liberties, nothing is.

 

[crazed_ss]

Why is it the term repressed minorities get under my skin so much.Maybe because the majority of the minorities blame the evil white people for everything.

The majority??! I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your ridiculous claim. From my experience, I can tell you most of the minorities I know go about their lives daily just trying to work and get by like everyone else. We dont have time to sit around and blame anyone for anything.

Of course your experience might vary.

Funny I can't think of one minority group who hasn't benefited from knowing the White People. I can't think of one example were it works the other way

I guess you're not gonna use the argument that blacks are better off because of slavery. If someone rapes a girl and she ends up having a kid that cures cancer, does that justify the initial rape? NO.. The ends can never justify the means.


And people wonder why blacks dont vote Republican..

 

[Byron Quick]

Negroes with Guns, folks. No thread veer.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

It is also worth noting that the first NRA president, Ambrose Burnside, favored desegregation of the military after the Civil War, almost a full 100 years before it actually happened.

Burnside's idea of arming blacks was just a little ahead of its time.

 

[Rabbi]

The black people I knew in Detroit, and I knew a LOT ........ were of two schools. The brothers on the block who worked in a shop or taught school or delivered mail or fought fires, were pro-gun. The other ones (the antis) were some kind of political wh*res with a vested interest in keeping them disarmed.

Think about it; who are our friends and allies and who are our enemies?

Detroit still has both Black Panthers AND Night Riders.

 

[Maxwell]

Burnside's idea of arming blacks was just a little ahead of its time.

Actually I think it was just in the nick of time.
He was using black soldiers, there would be a backlash for them to face after the war. The former slaves also knew the only way to insure against a return to bondage was to become as well armed as possible. Giving them guns would be payment on a promise of liberty, destroying slavery more effectively than the law could.

If not then, when would it have been a good idea?

Fast forwarding to Williams situation. If he had not had the option to own a gun befor things got out of hand, any and all talk of confronting violence with violence would have been pointless. Few would have weapons, then there would be a well kept list of names and houses to raid.

If things were as they are now in many cities, you certainly wouldnt get a pro-gun piece of law passed to arm black men in time to stop the KKK.

Your not going to find large and cheap supplies of guns the day after a revolution starts. Its why we have the 2nd amendment, to make sure we can buy as much as we need while we still have the option.

 

[TexasRifleman]

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Your not going to find large and cheap supplies of guns the day after a revolution starts. Its why we have the 2nd amendment, to make sure we can buy as much as we need while we still have the option.

Lots of folks can't find a large and cheap supply of guns TODAY. The urban areas with large Black populations have been effectively disarmed already with all of the racist firearm laws on the books.

What purpose can be served by outlawing "cheap" guns but allowing the sale of more expensive? These so called "Saturday Night Special" laws etc are 100% racist. Notice that there are few low cost guns on these approved lists. Also notice that the top urban areas have tighter restrictions on purchasing than out in the suburbs, even in very restrictive states like New York.

Look at the high costs of CCW permits and training.
Texas has an "indigent" clause in it's CCW program to cut the cost for low income folks. That helps in some cases, but it's certainly not enough.
What other states offer this?

How are low income inner city law abiding folks, both Black and White, supposed to be able to exercise their Second Amendment rights?

They either have to rise in income level and move out, or they are targets with no means of defending themselves. As targets they play right into the Dems arguments of more firearms laws. As a poor inner city law abiding citizen you HAVE to be in favor of more gun laws since you can't do anything else to protect yourself. You're forced into a corner. You vote Dem because they promise more protection and more handouts. You're trapped because you never have an opportunity to move up, kept down by the very system that's supposed to take care of you.

There is a reason the Democrats disarmed these folks first. In reality they would be more likely to take up arms against a repressive government than high income suburbanites, and the Dems know it.

It makes me sick

 

[RealGun]

The urban areas with large Black populations have been effectively disarmed already with all of the racist firearm laws on the books.(

You make it sound like gun control actually works.

 

[crazed_ss]

Umm.. I think he's reffering to law-abiding blacks being disarmed.. We do exist ya know.

Obviously the thugs and criminals still have their weapons. It's the honest, hard working people in these communities that arent affored the oppurtunity to protect themselves due to BS gun laws like the DC handgun ban.

 

[lostone1413]

The majority??! I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your ridiculous claim. From my experience, I can tell you most of the minorities I know go about their lives daily just trying to work and get by like everyone else. We dont have time to sit around and blame anyone for anything.

Of course your experience might vary.



I guess you're not gonna use the argument that blacks are better off because of slavery. If someone rapes a girl and she ends up having a kid that cures cancer, does that justify the initial rape? NO.. The ends can never justify the means.


And people wonder why blacks dont vote Republican..

All you have to do is look at how the Blacks live in Africa today as compared to how they live in America. I think that should answers anyones question if they benefited from the White People. Now lest see how the Whites have benefited. 80-90% of the violent crime is committed by non whites. Oh is that a plus or minus for the Whites?

 

[crazed_ss]

Guess the slavetraders should have thought of that 400yrs ago.
What's done is done. Time to move on and try to fix the problems we have now.

 

[Maxwell]

You make it sound like gun control actually works.

Define "work".
Gun control has put a number of otherwise good citizens in jail, blocked others with walls of paperwork or the added costs on gun ownership, and its empowerd criminals and government over the common man.

Its a far cry from post civil war times, or even the 60's, when all you needed was a few dollars and someone willing to sell you something.

 

[roscoe]

80-90% of the violent crime is committed by non whites. Oh is that a plus or minus for the Whites?

What are you talking about?! According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2004, whites committed 8.3 million violent crimes and blacks 3.26 million. Get your data straight!

Funny I can't think of one minority group who hasn't benefited from knowing the White People.

That really is an outrageous thing to say. You should ask the native Tasmanians today if they benefited from knowing the whites. That's right - go look it up.

You are looking at history through a tube that is only 40 years wide. Go back a little bit - whites have only been on top for the last couple of hundred years, and might not stay there. We will see what China has to say over the next 100 years.

You should read up on some of the history of the last 4000 years.
You chould read up on crime statistics.
You should also do a little research on the biological concept of race.


My apologies to the moderators if this seemed too hostile, but I cannot abide unsupported arguments like this.

 

[TexasRifleman]

You make it sound like gun control actually works.

Gun control DOES work in as far as disarming law abiding citizens.

What planet are you on? That's the whole problem, gun control works to disarm those that obey the law, and does nothing to control those that disobey the law. That's sort of the definition of a criminal if I remember right.

 

[RealGun]

Gun control DOES work in as far as disarming law abiding citizens.

What planet are you on? That's the whole problem, gun control works to disarm those that obey the law, and does nothing to control those that disobey the law. That's sort of the definition of a criminal if I remember right.

That's what I call a "violent agreement". Let's review. The purpose of gun control is to control crime, or so they say. That doesn't work. Can we move on now?

 

[mec]

Roy Innes, head of the Congress for Racial Equality and all around neat guy became an NRA director a few years ago. He said, "I haven't seen any 'sheets' (KKK) around here." when describing his contacts with the NRA membership and hierarchy.

Conde Rice calls herself a "Second Amendment Absolutist" because her family and friends were prepared to defend themselves during the civil rights movement.