New Flattop 44 spl

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I picked up last night a new Lipsey's Flattop 44 special. I have a number of Ruger SA revolvers but this is the first one were the base pin falls out when you take the cylinder out. I called Ruger and they are sending a new base pin but I wonder if this is common. The old SA I have the base pins actually almost touch the ejector rod and on this one there is 1/4" gap that lets the base pin fall out when the cylinder is removed for cleaning. Is this the new norm? The fit and finish is ok but not great.
 
I would be very happy if ALL my Ruger SA basepins were short enough to "fall out" when I remove the cylinder.

Maybe I'm not understanding your problem.
Denis
 
4 5/8" SS barrel. Why would one want the basepin to drop our and fall on the floor? Maybe if I start to anticipate the basepin falling I can keep track of it, but what is the advantage?
 
I have two New Vaqueros and a .44 Special Blackhawk. There is enough clearance to allow me to fully remove the base pin. It has never fallen on the floor. Why would I want the base pin to be “captive”? With the pin removed I can clean the pin and the holes in the frame (fore and aft) in which the pin sits.
 
The basepins on my other SA are not captive but do not easily come out. I will see if the pin Ruger is sending is a better fit. To Ruger's credit customer service did not hesitate to send a new pin. In fact their quick response may me wonder if they have had other calls. I have had a Ruger since the first 44 mag came out so I have some experience with them.
 
CF has it.
Why on earth would you WANT that basepin to be captive?

It's one of my few complaints on older Rugers.
Removing the pin (easily) to fully clean it & its channel in the frame, and lightly oil both, I find a very desirable trait & I've been known to have basepins SHORTENED by my gunsmith so I can get 'em out completely, without having to also remove the ejector rod assembly.

Yours is NOT a problem, it's a desirable trait.
The only time a proper-length basepin on a Ruger (or a Colt, or an Italian repro, which is set up to pull that pin completely for cleaning) falls out on the floor is if you're too fumble-fingered to pay attention to what you're doing in the first place.

Seriously, not meaning to be obnoxious, but this is Single-Actions 101, and with a little thought it should be possible to see the advantages of a rod short enough to pull completely without tools. :)
Denis
 
The basepins on my other SA are not captive but do not easily come out.
That's been my experience - "not captive but do not easily come out." I too am interested in whether or not the new basepin Ruger is sending you doesn't come out as easily. However, if the new basepin doesn't come out as easily, that's not necessarily a "better" fit IMO. I don't know how many times I've struggled with getting the basepin all the way out of a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk so that I could clean the basepin and the hole in the frame. It seems like I've even had to retrieve a screwdriver and remove the ejector rod assembly before removing the basepin a time or two.
But to each his own. If you don't like the basepin coming out as easily, I hope the new one Ruger is sending you doesn't. If it does though, I'd advise holding on to it rather than letting it "fall on the floor.":)
 
My old Vaquero and Single Six both retain the base pins as well. I wouldn't mind them to be a tad shorter so I could clean it a bit more thoughly as well.

Nice buy, one like yours is on my list of wants that'll be filled at some point! Please let us know how it shoots when you go and wring it out (Load/Bullet/etc.).

Stay safe!
 
Part of the difficulty in a Ruger pin not coming out easily relates to the fit of the pin in the frame (should be fairly tight, but not so tight you need pliers to pull it).
We buy aftermarket Belt Mountain pins to get a tighter fit (larger diameter pin), for less cylinder play.
This tighter fit is a GOOD thing.

Part of the difficulty in the pin not coming out easily may be the machining of the pin, the machining of the cross-pin latch piece, and the strength of the latch spring.
All of those have varied markedly in tolerances.

And part of the reason for a pin being harder to move freely CAN be an accumulation of burned carbon & solidified lube in the frame channel.
Which is why we want to be able to get the pin out completely & clean it & its channel.

Ruger for many years used a longer basepin that couldn't clear the frame without removing the ejector assembly.
That was not a benefit.

Colt doesn't do it, the various Colt clones don't do it.
It does help you keep from dropping the pin on the floor, if you're so careless or so unable to pay attention to what you're doing that you can't otherwise just hang onto it, but whatever dubious value you might assign to that "feature" is way overridden for most of us who like to be able to thoroughly clean our Rugers, and prefer to be able to do it without tools & ejector assembly removal.

I was glad to see Ruger shorten their pins where they were starting to do it; there was no real need for them to be that long.
Complaining to them about it wasted their time & was NOT a problem in your gun. :)
Denis
 
I was glad to see Ruger shorten their pins where they were starting to do it; there was no real need for them to be that long.
Denis

Did Ruger shorten the pin? or is it the natural result of the shorter cylinder of the midframe and the ejector rod housing remaining the same length? Is the "head" of the basepin the same Iength as the full size frame basepin? I too prefer that the rod comes out without removing the housing.
 
Ruger just changed the length of the pins.
The old regular pins could easily have a quarter-inch removed from the head & still leave enough material to work with in disassembly.
Denis
 
Most Single Actions do have the base pin loose, or rather, non-captive. Notice my neat little block that holds both cylinder and base pin:

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And if free base pin is your complaint, how about the Colts with the loose cylinder bushing? Have to place them ratchet downward in my cleaning block!

Bob Wright

P.S. That block serves absolutely no function other than preventing those items from rolling off the bench while cleaning.
 
The old regular pins could easily have a quarter-inch removed from the head & still leave enough material to work with in disassembly.
Denis, is that the case with the Belt Mountain pins you spoke about in an earlier post in this thread? That is, do the Belt Mountain pins have a little shorter head even though they are slightly larger in diameter?
I've been thinking of replacing the standard Ruger pin in my old 45 Colt Blackhawk with a Belt Mountain pin for some time now. If a Belt Mountain pin has a little shorter head, that would cinch it for me. I'm tired of struggling at trying to get that Ruger pin out without removing the ejector assembly first.
 
Well shucks, I need to buy guns more often. The CS lady I spoke to could have just told me Ruger changed the length of the pins, but I suspect she did not know.
 
Trying to remember, without digging out my Blackhawks.
There are different BM pins, I believe they're all shorter than standard Ruger pins.
Denis
 
Denis, is that the case with the Belt Mountain pins you spoke about in an earlier post in this thread? That is, do the Belt Mountain pins have a little shorter head even though they are slightly larger in diameter?
I've been thinking of replacing the standard Ruger pin in my old 45 Colt Blackhawk with a Belt Mountain pin for some time now. If a Belt Mountain pin has a little shorter head, that would cinch it for me. I'm tired of struggling at trying to get that Ruger pin out without removing the ejector assembly first.

http://www.beltmountain.com/ruger.htm

Lots to choose from! I've read alot of good things about them. My base pin on my new flattop feels a little on the tight side (I think). But if I have trouble with it coming out I'm going with the #5 style (named and based onthe one from Elmer kieths famous #5 SAA)
 
http://www.beltmountain.com/ruger.htm

Lots to choose from! I've read alot of good things about them. My base pin on my new flattop feels a little on the tight side (I think). But if I have trouble with it coming out I'm going with the #5 style (named and based onthe one from Elmer kieths famous #5 SAA)
Thanks Bones! I had no idea there were that many variations.:)
 
i guess i just had to get out the calipers and find out:

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since all the stock pins are shorter than the belt mountain pins, you results may vary, but i doubt it!

murf
 
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