New gunsmith tools needed for projects

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JAMESACERRA

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Hi Y'all
I'm starting home gunsmith work on friends guns.
I'm disabled and need diversion to keep from going stir crazy.
here's a few questions for the group. Please remember the fixed income so less is more.
1.Screwdriver set
2. Gauges (i.e. mag feed lip gauge, firing pin gauges, chamber gauges) I have 6" Calipers.
3. Recoil pad sander and jig
4.Stock refinishing gear.
5. any other starting stuff.
Thanks for any assistance and tips.
James Acerra
 
First, be aware that if you're going to do gunsmithing work on other peoples guns, the Federal BATF requires that you have a Federal license.
This especially if you keep someone's gun over night.
Working as a gunsmith, even as a hobby, without the license is a Federal crime.

As to the tooling.
For screwdrivers, if you just have to go cheap, the Wheeler sets from Midway USA are "okay". They're made in China, and the quality is usable.
If you break or damage a bit, you have to buy another one.

The best and the industry standard are the Brownell's Magna-Tip sets.
These are the finest quality, very hard and very smooth.
If you break a bit, simply email Brownell's and they'll send you a new one free.
You can buy the Magna-Tip in 3 or 4 bit sets with a handle for a specific gun, or you can buy master sets with various handles, and buy individual bits in other sizes as needed.
I recommend buying one of the Law Enforcement size handles. These are much more useful for most work, since they're just the right size.
Since you'll use a screwdriver far more than any other tool, this is where you splurge and buy the best, which is the Magna-Tip.

Gages depend on WHAT you need to gage. Unless you're going to be doing re-barreling of rifles, or checking head space on older guns, buying expensive sets of head space gages is rather a waste of money.
Buy only specific types of gages you really need for the type of work or guns you'll be working on.

Sanders suitable for recoil pad work can be bought at Sears or Harbor Freight.

Stock refinishing sand paper and sanding blocks can be bought at a local hardware store.
The stains and finishes can be bought from Brownell's, and if you use polyurethane or one of the oil finishes like Danish Oil or Tung oil, many hardware stores sell them.
There are dozens of types of finishes, so after picking one you want to use, you buy it where it's most available.
For stains, I recommend the various solvent and water-based stains from Brownell's.
These penetrate quickly even in old oil soaked wood and give true colors.

Buy most everything from Brownell's or Midway USA. Brownell's is THE gunsmith's supply house. Get online and look, but you're better to start by buying a hard copy catalog from them and using the online system for later. The price is refunded on the first order.

For other starting gear buy:
A small ball peen hammer.

A small brass or fiber hammer.

A good set of punches.
I recommend the Brownell's replaceable tip type. When you bend or break a punch all you have to do is replace the tip.
You can also buy or shorten tips to use as "starter punches" and special tips for roll pins.

An Opti-visor magnifier.
You can't work on small gun parts without one. Opti-Visor is the industry standard and you'll wear it almost constantly, so buy the best.

A good bench light.

Several vises.
You'll need one bigger shop vise and one smaller adjustable vise.
For the small vise I recommend one of the best I've seen in years, from Harbor Freight:

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-1-2-half-inch-table-swivel-vise-97160.html

Buy good files and a wire file "card" brush.
You'll need a small set of needle files and larger hand files WITH handles. Some from hardware stores are usable, but the types needed for gun work are bought from Brownell's or jeweler's supply houses.

Stones.
You'll need small, thin stones and at least one larger flat stone.
For the small stones I recommend the 6" square and triangular ceramic stones from Brownell's. These are better then other synthetic or even the hard Arkansas stones. The ceramics don't wear or dull the sharp edges like other stones, so they last a LONG time.

Books:
Books on gun disassembly are good. Gun Digest and the NRA sell excellent paperback books showing disassembly, and there are several paperbacks showing exploded views.
Depending on what guns you want to work on, I strongly recommend buying some of the Jerry Kuhnhausen Shop Manuals from Brownell's.
These were written as training aids for new gunsmiths, and cover one specific type of firearm in deep detail.
These show the factory method of repair, not the old jack leg methods or heating and bending or making parts.
You'll find these in almost any good gunsmiths shop.

As you get into it, you'll know what you need to buy and when. Buy tools only as you need them or you'll wind up wasting money on tools you won't use enough to pay for, or tools you won't use at all.

Just remember, having a FFL license to work on other peoples guns is not a joke. They can and will prosecute you.

Last, remember, that even doing free or really cheap work for friends is no protection from an unhappy customer from suing you.
I was in the business as a professional for 30 years and I saw some cases of the best of friends turned into bitter enemy's and hiring lawyers over a gun mistake.
I've heard from another gunsmith at least one case of a hobby gunsmith having a dispute with a buddy and the buddy calling the BATF and reporting the friend for working without a license.
 
Dandy help so far

Thanks Y'all
So far so good. I've looked at Grace screwdrivers, Punches ect...
I thought that any gunsmith work not for profit did not need the 01 FFL, good tip.
Thanks so far.
Yours in service
James Acerra
 
Grace are good "old school" screwdrivers, but they only have a few limited sizes.
These are intended to be custom ground to fit a specific screw.
You'll spend a lot of time grinding, and the drivers won't last long before they're used up.

The Magna-Tip are far better because they sell many sizes and you seldom have to custom grind a bit, unless it's for some odd-ball old foreign gun screw.
This is both far faster and in the long run cheaper.
 
Dfariswheel is correct on the screwdriver issue. Save your peanuts and get the Brownell Master set. I finally bought it, torque wrench and all. Best money I ever spent. I have yet to find a screw that I don't have the PROPER bit for.

Steer clear of the Grace screw drivers for most general work. They are ground to some rather bastard sizes that don't fit anything correctly without alteration. Further the smaller sizes are too hard and brittle. I have a couple with the "hollow ground" portion twisted right off. All in all Grace drivers aren't hollow ground but rather parallel ground just at the tip and it produces a stress point that breaks. I have modified most of my Grace screwdrivers to a proper hollow ground end and re- heat treated them so they are useable.

Cheers
Mac.
 
Best thing I can give from my experience:

1. Buy once, cry once. Buy QUALITY the first time, or you'll end up replacing them often. When you get Brownell's catalog, look at John Ruskin's quote on the inside front cover. It's very true.

For stones, buy the ones mentioned above. Keep them clean and oiled.
For punches, the only ones I'd consider are Starrett punches.
You'll need a good 8 oz. ball pein, a soft-faced mallet and a plastic hammer.
Get a good set of drift pins, and some brass ones as well. Some of the hard plastic punches are a must, as well.

Most importantly--KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS. Do NOT take on a job if you know nothing about it; it's better to admit it in the first place.

And, since you are going into gunsmithing, before you turn the first wrench, drift out the first pin, or even touch someone else's guns, get the following in this order:

a. A Class 1 Dealer's FFL.
b. A business license from your State.
c. A Universal Business Indicator (UBI) from Social Security.

Keep meticulous records. You'll need them come tax time.

Good luck to you!
 
If he's not being paid for the work, does he still need a FFL???

a. A Class 1 Dealer's FFL.
b. A business license from your State.
c. A Universal Business Indicator (UBI) from Social Security.
d. Insurance
 
If you keep a gun overnight you MUST have a FFL license.

If you're taking money for work on guns, you're "in the business" according to Federal law and need the license.
 
Smith tools

Dremel
Buffing wheels (for dremel)
Rotating vise
Good quality gun mat
Jewelers files
Magnifying lamp
Hobby vise with holders
Good quality punch set
Brass hammer and punches
Hook picks
Bore light
"T" handled allen wrenches
Various needle nose pliers
Angled snap ring pliers
Large triangular welding magnets (great for holding parts)
magnetic parts tray

Just a few things I use for "my own guns", personally I would never work on any one else's guns but my buddy's will come over and I will help them often.

I do commend you for wanting to help other gun owners and wish you well.
 
Chindo, while I kinda like the Optivisor, I personally would not use it. There is a problem--at least for me--with the vision shift/change of having a magnifier right next to my eyes.

Instead, I would probably get a magnifier that I could move the work under. This way, I still have normal focusing distance and no eye strain.

To the last poster: Tools are important--but tools will get you in serious trouble if you don't have a complete understanding of what you are doing. For instance, I cannot tell you how many sears and hammers I ruined on 1911's before I fully understood the proper relationship between the parts, and was able to properly fit the parts and how to stone them while maintaining the heat treatment.

Your best first purchase is one of the Kuhnhausen manuals. I also recommend the video series from the American Gunsmithing Institute. Read, watch, study--and only then should you take the tools to the metal.
 
Don't waste your money on a dremel tool. I have had more sc****d up guns in my shop in the last 20 years because of someone going crazy with a dremel tool. It don't take much to ruin something with a dremel.
 
Don't waste your money on a dremel tool.
A Dremel can be a very valuable asset if you know how to use it and what to (and not to) use it on. It is very helpful when reshaping trigger guards or hogging out stocks for glass bedding and a thousand other uses. I used a Foredom tool for years (about $300) but found the Dremel (mine actually is made by Black and Decker) to do almost as much for less.
 
Besides regular punches, roll pin punches (with the raised tit in the center) are useful if you're going to work on modern pistols. You may also want to look into starter punches (short shafted and less likely to mark the piece).

1" Belt sander is very useful.

Besides brass hammers, I've used rawhide and plastic. The 2 oz Stanley Ball Peen is one of the most used hammers in my kit.

Good lamp, perhaps one with a magnifier in the center (great for aging eyes).

Good broom, dustpan and flashlight. You're going to have very well swept floor. The flashlight should be like a Maglite that may be rolled on the floor. Small metal parts shows up better against a light.

Large work box with raised sides to capture orbital spring launched objects. You spend less time sweeping the floor looking for missing parts.

Needle files. Buy them by the pack. You can always forge the worn ones into something else.

If you're at home and have the time, you might want to learn engraving. You can take a $500 gun and make it a $1,500 gun.
 
May I add a good supply of clear plastic bags---BIG ones?

Put the work to be disassembled inside the bag. Now, disassemble or reassemble without fear of the part that goes into never never land.
 
All good advise... big one... DON'T BUY CHEAP HAND TOOLS... they will do more harm than good... ALWAYS use the correct fitting screwdriver. Clean the screw slots BEFORE you try and install or remove.. Unlike at home.. IF IT DON'T FIT-DON'T FORCE IT...

A Dremel tool is useful... if used very very sparingly... JimmyRay is right!!!!!

The extendable magnet IS your friend.... KEEP THE FLOOR CLEAN... rubber mats are ok.. Carpet eats springs, pins and screws...

Extra parts kits.. screws, pins, and roll pins, e-clips etc are invaluable..

FFL is NOT a joke.. ATF will not play, they are not your friend if you are doing it wrong..
 
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