new guy needs info on 581

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Hi all, I found this sight from a google search on my s&w 581 357 mag.
I have a stainless steel (NOT NICKLE) S & W 581 with "M" above 581.
All I can find is 581's are bblue or nick. This one is not. It is SS. It is double action and looks just like a 681 however it has vents on either side of the front sights. I just looking for gurus that can tell me more about this revolver. I'm not got at pic posting so I'll have to do several post.
 

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Welcome!

You need to shoot pics using the macro (little flower) setting on your camera. Try shooting in very bright light with no flash.

The porting on your gun is aftermarket work done by Magnaport. They do good work.

I've not seen too many mismarked S&W guns, but it's not unheard of. I look forward to seeing a clear pic of the model information.

The "M" stamp notes that your 581 has been back to the factory for the recall with the L frame. The text of the recall is here:

SMITH & WESSON
MODEL 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1,
586-1, 681-1, 686-1 & 686CS-1, REVOLVERS

RECALL: Reports have been received from the field where the combination of a SMITH & WESSON L-FRAME 357 MAGNUM REVOLVER and some .357 Magnum ammunition has resulted in unacceptable cylinder binding. L-frame revolvers bearing model numbers:

581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1,
681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1

Cylinder binding can cause a failure to fire. Mishandling a revolver while freeing the cylinder can result in accidental discharge.

Cylinder binding can result from a number of causes, including characteristics of an individual revolver or the use of ammunition, which does not conform to industry pressure specifications or is particularly fast burning. Recent developments in ammunition manufacture emphasize the production of .357 Magnum ammunition with increased velocity and greater primer sensitivity.

Although there have been very few reported incidents of cylinder binding, in view of our concern for our customer's safety and the reliability of Smith & Wesson products in all circumstances, we issue the following warning:

In a situation where a failure to fire can be critical - such as law enforcement or personal protection - do not use .357 Magnum ammunition with an L-frame revolver bearing model numbers 581, 586, 681, 686 or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number until you have had the revolver modified.

Those who need to use their L-frame revolver under these conditions prior to modification can safely fire .38 Special caliber ammunition.

Smith & Wesson has developed a modification to improve existing L-frame revolvers. This improvement enables them to fire all .357 Magnum ammunition, without cylinder binding. Shipments of L-frame revolvers from our factory after August 21, 1987 already include this improvement.

You can check if your revolver includes this improvement by looking at the left side of the frame when the cylinder is fully open. If your revolver has been stamped either with a "2" or higher number after the basic three-digit model number or with an "M" above the model number, your revolver includes this improvement and does not need modification. If your revolver bears the model number 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number, it does not include this improvement and your should have your revolver modified.

Smith & Wesson will modify your L-frame revolver free of charge to eliminate the possibility of cylinder binding with .357 Magnum ammunition. Law enforcement agencies wishing to arrange for modification of L-frame revolvers should call 800-458-8469 between 9 A.M. and 6 P.M. Eastern time (MA residents call 413-734-8244). Other users should send their revolvers to a Smith & Wesson Warranty Service Center, specifying "L-frame improvement program" and enclosing their name and return address.

One of the modifications to improve the L-frame revolver is the installation of a new hammer nose. This obsoletes all old L-frame hammer noses (part numbers 4702 and 7513) and all old L-frame hammer assemblies (part numbers 3366, 3378, 3380, 3382, 3391, 4722, 4723, 4726 and 4728) in field parts inventories. Superseded parts should never be fitted into a modified revolver as this may result in malfunction. It is essential for safety that you return these obsolete L-frame hammer noses and obsolete L-frame hammer assemblies for a free exchange to:

Smith & Wesson
Service Department
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01101

Do not return L-frame hammer-nose bushings from your spare parts inventory inasmuch as they are useable in J, N and K-frame revolvers, which are not included in this Product Warning.

We regret any inconvenience this may cause. Smith & Wesson's first concern is the safety of its products and the protection of its customers.
 
Ditto on the pics.

Taking you at your word and it IS, in fact, a 581, I suspect that when the previous owner sent it out for Mag-Na-Porting, they also had them hardchrome it. When done a certain way, it looks exactly like stainless steel. I suspect that is the case here. This is augmented by the fact that the hammer and trigger appear to match the appearance of the gun. Usually, the stainless gun does not match the factory hard chromed hammer/trigger.
 
I suspect that when the previous owner sent it out for Mag-Na-Porting, they also had them hardchrome it. When done a certain way, it looks exactly like stainless steel. I suspect that is the case here.

I hesitate to speculate, but that's a solid bet.

This is the service offered from Magnaport:
SS MagNaLife Finish (will give the Blue Gun a finish similar to a Brushed Stainless) . . $295.00
 
You've got a carbon steel 581, most likely hard-chromed to look like stainless. It's an excellent gun and hard chroming is an excellent finish.
 
thanks for responces, I have tried 20 pics on the 581 and I guess I need better light with no flash. i'll work on it. I'll bet the house I don't know for sure!!!
 
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I'll bet the house it is stainless steel!!!

I'll take that bet. ;)

The fact it's ported makes it highly likely it's hard chrome. Some applications of it are exceptionally hard to tell from stainless. The fact the ejector star is blued means the gun was originally nickel or blued. If you take off the grips and look at the grip frame, somewhere a large capital letter will be stamped (among other minor stamps), either B, N, or S. I'm betting it's "B."

If it IS mis-stamped, that's not too rare. Either way, enjoy the heck out of it. These 4" L frames are really very nice guns.
 
ok, took off the grip. on right side is an A in a circle then 4733 then a 3 in a heart shape. on bottom is aad4251 and on left is F6 and 23 x 37. I have looked at every nook and cranny and that is all guys. now what?
 
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ok, took the grips off. right side has an A in a circle then #4733, then a 3 inside of a heart shape. bottom has #aad4251. left side has 23 x 37 then a f6 mark. there are NO other marking anyware! more pics.
 

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Your 581 was made in 1981.

Is that rust I see under the grips in a few small spots?
That would be odd for a stainless Smith.
 
Respectfully, your gun has indeed been hard chromed.

There are three dead giveaways in your pics:
  • The fact the ejector star is blued means the gun was originally nickel or blued.
  • The hammer and trigger appear to match the appearance of the gun. Usually, the stainless gun does not match the factory hard chromed hammer/trigger.
  • The roll pin at the bottom of the grip left the factory blued. It's now chromed.

You have a great looking gun, enjoy it.
 
how would I tell if it was hard chromed. what would i look for. it looks stainless everyware but the star. really, I just want to know. it looks like every ss gun i have. the finish is what is throwing me. it has a really nice light brush look. nothing looks chrome. nothing looks layered. looks all solid. JUST ASKING and I apriciate all you guys in put. shoot ,i would thinl the serial # would tell all.:banghead:
 
how would I tell if it was hard chromed.

These would be a few signs:

1) Looks stainless, but stamped "581". Check.
2) Some parts left finished in blue or nickel. Check.
3) Lack of "S" stamp under grips. Check.
4) Gun has had obvious alteration work to it. Check.
5) Trigger/hammer finish obviously not stock. Check.

A high-polish hard chrome job is very hard to tell from stainless unless you are very experienced. Fortunately, you have enough folks here experienced with these guns and finishes to be able to help you spot the signs. You second set of photos show the hammer/trigger in enough detail that it is clear they have been polished and refinished and are not the matte-finish flash chromed pieces that S&W would have installed on a stainless 681 "no-dash." Highorder spotted that in his post above.
 
Mag-na-Port really does very nice work

when they've done their limited run of Ruger Super Blackhawks and Charter Arms .44 Bulldogs, the hard chrome they used, made those guns look stainless too
 
the M is a smith and wesson overstamped to signify a modification the vents in the barrel are done by Mag-na-Port to cut down recoil its not stainless the star would be
 
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