cdb1
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I hunted almost exclusively with a .270 from 1972 until around 10 years ago. It is a great round and much more versatile than a 30-30. For me and me only I like a 30-30 better for hogs.
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All this talk about guns and ammo is great , but shot placement on a hog is very important.
All of the calibers mentioned will put one down,,,but if shot in the wrong place,your doing a LOT of tracking.
A well placed shot in the neck or head is where the bullet should go. I'm sure some of you will not agree with me on this, but it works great for me.
I hunt hogs here in Charleston,SC with a 45/70 and a .454 revolver. Very seldom do I shoot over 100 yards.......I never track a hog more than 10 feet...Hahahaha.
All of the calibers mentioned will put one down,,,but if shot in the wrong place,your doing a LOT of tracking.
A well placed shot in the neck or head is where the bullet should go. I'm sure some of you will not agree with me on this, but it works great for me.
I hunt hogs here in Charleston,SC with a 45/70 and a .454 revolver. Very seldom do I shoot over 100 yards.......I never track a hog more than 10 feet...Hahahaha.
VoodooMountain
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And is only available in like 5 models of rifles
And takes 60-70 grains of powder
And has a shorter barrel life
And has more recoil
And is more expensive to shoot
And has spotty availability
270 is a fine hunting round.
270 wsm is neat and certainly works very well but I certainly can't see it usurping the 270 Winchester.
If anything, with today's powders, necking down a 308 case would be a better idea in my mind.
Just get that Tikka 30.06, and put a good scope on it.
30.06 isn't so much about the caliber, as the versatility of the cartridge.
You can go as light as 110 grain bullets, and as heavy as 220. They
are one of the most popular calibers, and all sorts of selection is available
at most stores with ammo.
30.06 isn't so much about the caliber, as the versatility of the cartridge.
You can go as light as 110 grain bullets, and as heavy as 220. They
are one of the most popular calibers, and all sorts of selection is available
at most stores with ammo.
I've not yet seen mention of handloading preference, or of a budget, so if I missed something I apologize, my personal pick for my "because I want one" hog rifle is a benelli R1 comfortech in .270 wsm, if you're not handloading, same rifle in .30-06 or .308, if you're buying new, buy the .30-06 and spend $500 on the wsm or .308 replacement barrel. Give or take total of $1700.
Lots of good advice. Thanks to everyone. I went with an x bolt, simply because it felt the best. I really wanted to like something with wood furniture, but no other rifle I was able to shoulder pointed quite as naturally for me. It's in 30-06 mainly because that's what the x bolt was available in. Now to figure out the sighting situation.
1stmarine
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Hi,
If one reloads properly I am not sure one can categorically assert there is more brass life.
Also not sure more energy is needed. The 270 can launch 150gr bullets close to 3000fps that is pretty hard to manage already.
The WSM might get 150 extra fps on average but only with the bullets not exceeding 140-150gr and certain size.
It can also load bullets that are otherwise too long for the WSM. This is a huge advantage for long range work.
With the WSM we spend more % in powder, recoil and heat, that the % performance gain what we get on the target.
This is not subjective but it is a fact imposed by the dimensions and chamber.
The WSM would have to be chambered in a mid or long action and reamed accordingly so that would defeat the purpose of the
shorter round and action in the first place.
Yes the rifles are shorter but there the balance is a subjective thing.
The 270 is way more popular, cheaper, it feeds like a dream and many box magazines will give you and extra round.
I think given quality ammunition both are amazing rounds in terms of accuracy potential.
So I think "better" is relative. Like always, we have to consider the trade-offs.
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60-70 gr. Powder: You say that like it is a bad thing.
270 WSM is just flat superior to 270 Win. In every respect. I have been so impressed by mine, a Kimber, no looking back here.
You run into 270 Win fans, and I get that. But you can't ignore the increased performance, and decreased weight and size of the action.
You might not want the extra speed and energy. Some people do.
Feeding: this might be a problem in the living room, but not when cycling during real world hunting.
Some rifles will have a reduced capacity of 270 WSM by one cartridge. It is not a fault of the cartridge. It is due to the companies shoe horning it into current models.
Availability: It is called the Internet.
VoodooMountain
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To each their own. The wsm is certainly a capable round.
For what it's worth I own exactly zero 270's of any flavor.
cdb1
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.mshootnit said:
You were doing okay until you tacked on, "In every respect." That's just not true. I like both cartridges. Using your logic you could say the same thing about .223 vs 22-250, which isn't true either.
HOLY DIVER
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excellent choice! i love my x-bolt in 30-06 mine really likes a 168grain hornady sst over 57grains of IMR4350 if you don't handload its available in a hornady superformace factory load but they are rather pricey but do perform well
Definitely appreciate the advice on ammo selection. I don't hand load, yet, but will when I get everything set up. I'm researching optics at the moment, but ammo is up on the list. So much to do and so little time until November. I'm like a kid at Christmas right now.
someguy2800
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By that logic a 50 BMG is the best cartridge available to the hunter.
zb338
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What's over kill like? When you shoot something with a large caliber,
does it explode in flames and drift away with the wind? Or, does it
just die too quickly.
Zeke
does it explode in flames and drift away with the wind? Or, does it
just die too quickly.
Zeke
lobo9er
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You have 30-30 and a 243, go 308 or go big. 45-70, 450 bushy. A Boomer. I love my 308, but you got a 243 and know how to use it. If I could spend your money for you I'd try out a 45-70
1stmarine
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If you shoot a white tail with a full power 300 win mag or lets say a 375 RUM there might not be a lot of meat left to eat specially
if one has to shoot it into the plexus through the bones.
A 6mm or a 6.8 will do the same w/o blasting all the good meat away.
adcoch1
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Naw, it just dies BEFORE you shoot at it, and then you can't find it... Jk, usually more meat damage and a heavier, harder recoiling rifle...
Nikon, Vortex, Leupold. My opinion, but I'm not a fan of the BDC reticle. I have them on two rifles. But neither rifle do I ever shoot past 100-125 yards. My choice would be Nikon Buckmaster, Vortex Diamondback, or Leupold VX-II in a flavor 3x9x40 or something close to it. And if they are available, a set of DNZ scope rings. Congrats on the new rifle.
Actually 223 is better than
OK
Here is a list of applicable qualities of a cartridge, where 270 WSM comes out on top:
Speed
Energy
Accuracy
Compactness
Case life
Here is a list of qualities where 270 Win comes out on top:
Skinniness
Goes in and out of the chamber smoother.
More well known.
More likely that daddy has one
You're right: To each their own.
cdb1
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Longer case life and better accuracy is debatable.
Let's be honest. Most people (myself included) won't, or shouldn't, shoot at game past ~400 yards. I have a hard time believing that a 270 win, when paired with an appropriate bullet, at an appropriate range, against appropriate game, with appropriate shot placement, won't kill appropriately.
For some, more is better. For others, deer don't get extra dead. It's hard to argue with either. Different outlooks.That's why sooo many cartridge choices exist. And that's why a guy can't have too many rifles.
For some, more is better. For others, deer don't get extra dead. It's hard to argue with either. Different outlooks.That's why sooo many cartridge choices exist. And that's why a guy can't have too many rifles.
ontarget
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Why are we still arguing about 270 blah blah blah when the OP told us four days ago that he purchased a 30-06? Perfect choice OP. Enjoy your new rifle and welcome aboard.
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