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Not intending to veer off course here, but I see this:
Crf is always a plus.
expressed quite often.
I do not see the advantage myself, with the exception of the additional purchase of the claw extractor for extraction, which is an advantage with a dirty chamber or ammo generating excessively high chamber pressures. By the time a round pops free of a push feed magazine, it is already in the chamber. The extractor of the M16 style or Sako type gives adequate grip of the rim and extraction. After thousands of rounds fired with a variety of push feed bolt guns, I have yet to have an extraction issue or chambering issue with any push feed action that was not attributable to a dirty chamber or excessive chamber pressure.

Some crf actions do not allow dropping a cartridge into the chamber and then closing the bolt as the particular design does not allow the extractor to snap over the rim and only allows the rim to slide up under the edge of the extractor. I do not recall exactly which designs are like this but it seems like my CZ550 American did this (haven't had it for years so cannot verify for sure) and, IIRC, my brother's old 1960's vintage Parker Hale is another. Not sure about the Ruger, but it seems like my old 1988 vintage Ruger 77R did this. I may be wrong about the Ruger. I haven't had it since 1996.
I am sure there are other members here that can aid my aging memory.

Personally, I would not pay anything extra for a crf. But that is just me.
 
Crf is hyped, no doubt. I have however had several missfeeds and cases that wouldn't extract or eject on push feeds. Most of these issues were in savages.

Dirty chambers are also a real concern. Not just dirty from shooting but pine needles, vegetation, ice, dirt, etc can get into an action.

I usually won't deman crf in a rifle but I do see it as a plus.
 
If you just want another gun......totally understandable, the 270 or 30-06 if you handload will give you more options than your mind can absorb.
Fine something that makes you WANT TO HAVE IT, and enjoy.

Happy shootin' JD
 
I was able to handle a few rifles today. I didn't care for the tikka like I thought I would. It's mainly the way the magazine hangs out the bottom it takes away a carry position that I use often.

They did have an x bolt stalker at what seemed like a reasonable price. It was less than the tikka. Anyone have an opinion on that rifle?
 
I was able to handle a few rifles today. I didn't care for the tikka like I thought I would. It's mainly the way the magazine hangs out the bottom it takes away a carry position that I use often.

They did have an x bolt stalker at what seemed like a reasonable price. It was less than the tikka. Anyone have an opinion on that rifle?

IMO the Xbolt is an outstanding rifle. Also my opinion that FN puts out consistently good product. I like the short bolt throw of the Xbolt. I'm definitely in the minority in that I prefer blind magazines, then hinged floorplates and like DBMS least of all. Which is the reason I don't own an Xbolt. Those are features though and are not a comment on Xbolt quality. I still might break down in the future and get a Hells Canyon 26 Nosler.

Regarding another post I prefer CRF over Push Feed. Most of my rifles are PF though. The only reason I can justify for CRF is for dangerous game and even that argument has some holes. So I just like it better, for the same reason I like certain colors over others.
 
having to deal with hogs and perhaps wild boars, some large ones, I say give them grain!
308 and 7mm-08 will give them that momentum to derail them on the spot.
No need for large action or larger more exotic calibers.
The hog hunter in 20" seems like the perfect utilitarian + hog smasher.
At some point that stock could be upgraded or fixed / bedded but no rush there and it
is good for outdoors / rain and beating it up.
 
The Savage hog Hunter is interesting. I like and am familiar with Savage and a 20" barrel seems like it would be fast handling. I'll check one out for sure.
 
I would skip the exotically long skinny rounds like 270 Win. and go with something shorter that makes more sense, such as the 270 WSM
 
The x bolt fit me well. I like the Win 70 as well. I just don't see the reason for a price difference. They are both made in the same place in Japan, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe the x bolt I saw was entry level, and maybe the Winchester was higher end, I don't know. Still, it was a $300 difference.

I still want to handle a Ruger m77. That was on my short list before I got to shoulder anything. I'm also intrigued by the Henry long ranger. It seems like it could be a fast handling platform that takes me back to my 30-30 days. Only with more punch and more range... Too many choices.. I'm so glad I live in a free state
 
I would skip the exotically long skinny rounds like 270 Win. and go with something shorter that makes more sense, such as the 270 WSM

IMO, not sure how the WSM makes more sense?

A) One can buy 270win ammo for 1/2 of the cost of WSM (like 70 cents / round or less)
B) The WSM is great but it cannot shoot certain bullets due to COAL limitations unless one goes into a long action and that defeats the purpose of the the shorter cartrige in the first place.
C) 270 can be formed/reloaded from other popular less expensive cases.
 
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I've only been one hog hunt, in Florida, so for what it's worth, my 2 cents. I used my Tikka T3 stainless .270win with Leupold vx-2 3-9x40. Dad carried his trusty old Winchester in .32 special. Dad had been hunting since he was 12, me, not so much. I hit a standing hog. He ran a ways and dropped. Dad hit a running hog from a moving 4 wheeler buggy at about 30 -40 yards, in the spine I guess cuz after he was hit only his front legs worked. One more shot to finish it. Mind you, Dad was 80 at the time. I got another, standing, in the front shoulder, about 80 yards. He turned toward me and fan at me along the fence line. Second round startled him but he kept coming. The last one went in his mouth and out his hind quarter and he dropped. All my rounds were clean through. I tell this story to pass along Dad's advice- bullet too small, moving too fast.

I think on the next hunt I'll take this CZ527M carbine in 7.62x39 and see what happens. Unless I decide on a semiauto, which will be a Springfield M1A.

Hope this helps.
 
I've shot hogs with a 30-06, 30-30, 7mm-08, .270, 6.5x55, .243 and .223(AR). For whatever reason the 30-30 seems to kill them quicker.
 
The x bolt fit me well. I like the Win 70 as well. I just don't see the reason for a price difference. They are both made in the same place in Japan, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe the x bolt I saw was entry level, and maybe the Winchester was higher end, I don't know. Still, it was a $300 difference.

I still want to handle a Ruger m77. That was on my short list before I got to shoulder anything. I'm also intrigued by the Henry long ranger. It seems like it could be a fast handling platform that takes me back to my 30-30 days. Only with more punch and more range... Too many choices.. I'm so glad I live in a free state

The M70 is not made in Japan.
 
you have gotten some good advice in the above comments but i'll throw in my opinion 2.i hunt whitetail with a 30-06 and to be honest the only reason is i got a great deal on a X-BOLT my buddy bought and he wasn't liking the recoil and i bought it from him at a very good price.in my humble opinion the 7mm-08 might be the best deer cartridge ever made accuracy is unreal on my dad's RUGER Americam 7mm-08 it will out shoot my x-bolt stainless stalker all day long the only thing i'd say my x-bolt might feal a little better off-hand i'm a little more steady with it but on sand bags the American shoots 1/2 groups my x-bolt shoots around 3/4 to 7/8 groups with quality ammo.i took a whitetail with the 7mm-08 couple years ago 120 yard shot the doe folded up when i cleaned/processed her the whole heart and half of each lung was jelly exit wound was very impressive also bullet was a factory loaded Remmington core-lock.sooooooo..... my vote is no doubt the 7mm-08 man its a sweet hunting round!
 
Having been all over Texas a time or two, I' solidly concur with .270. It's readily available, and capable for pretty much anything in Texas, The same can be said for .308, but, it's harder find one light enough to carry over our distances as it is in a .270

Were you only after a hog killer, really, an SKS in 7.62x39 works just fine. Only problem is that the price on those is as much as a decent .270 anymore.
 
IMO, not sure how the WSM makes more sense?

A) One can buy 270win ammo for 1/2 of the cost of WSM (like 70 cents / round or less)
B) The WSM is great but it cannot shoot certain bullets due to COAL limitations unless one goes into a long action and that defeats the purpose of the the shorter cartrige in the first place.
C) 270 can be formed/reloaded from other popular less expensive cases.

270 WSM makes sense in several ways.
1. It has less taper and longer case life.
2. It offers increased speed and energy over 270 Win.
3. It is a modern beltless magnum case design offering a short efficient powder column.
4. 270 WSM rifles are shorter, lighter, balance better, and are handier.

There is just no reason to go with a long skinny round, which is slower and less accurate.
 
270 WSM makes sense in several ways.
1. It has less taper and longer case life.
2. It offers increased speed and energy over 270 Win.
3. It is a modern beltless magnum case design offering a short efficient powder column.
4. 270 WSM rifles are shorter, lighter, balance better, and are handier.

There is just no reason to go with a long skinny round, which is slower and less accurate.

Less accurate? Where is the proof?

Longer case life?

I'm not knocking the 270 WSM, I'd very much like to have one with a 1:8 twist chambered in a long action and see what I could do with some of the very heavy for caliber bullets. But I don't know if it is inherently more accurate or has longer case life than the .270 Winchester. And it is certainly more prone to feed issues.
 
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