New Kimber 84L Hunter with Zeiss HD5 scope ... out of the box impressive

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A coworker asked me for a rifle/scope recommendation for deer and elk up here in MT. He has never owned a hunting rifle so this will be his one and only for quite a while. I suggested a Kimber 84L Hunter chambered in .30-06 Sprg and a Zeiss Conquest HD5 2-10x44mm. I installed the scope for him on Sunday, bore sighted it, ran some alcohol soaked patches through the barrel and then shot three rounds to get close to 2" high at 100 yards. I then shot two groups at 100 yards. The first group was with the excellent Federal Vital-Shok 165gr Trophy Copper load. The second group, using the same aiming dot, was shot using the equally excellent Federal Vital-Shok 180gr Trophy Copper load. Needless to say, my coworker is very pleased and plans on shooting as much as possible before our next deer/elk season in late October. I was pleased to see that he can buy factory ammunition and go hunting and doesn't need to worry about investing in reloading equipment at this stage. The wind was blowing right to left with a sleet/snow mix during shooting so I suggested that he shoot some more before adjusting the scope.

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Very nice results, but then one would expect it with this setup. :)

I'll post of a photo of rifle in question when my coworker sends me one. I should have taken photos when the rifle was at my house this past weekend but it didn't occur to me at the time.

Nice review. Another one of those "crappy" Kimber's. Lol

Yep! :D I told him to return the rifle because the 180gr ammo only produced a 1.054 moa group. The rifle comes with a sub moa accuracy standard so I think he should return it.
 
Kimber has taken leaps and bounds in the quality department over the last several years. I would once again consider Kimber on my short list.
 
A friend of mine is interested in getting a Hunter, so that's good to see. What are your thoughts on the stock on the hunter compared to the other synthetic stocked entry-level rifles?

Flimsy? Decent?
 
Kimber has taken leaps and bounds in the quality department over the last several years. I would once again consider Kimber on my short list.

I have four Kimber rifles and can honestly say that I have no interest in any other hunting rifles. In the past I've owned Remingtons, Savages and Winchesters and have shot and handled many, many other models from the likes of Marlin, Ruger, Sako, Tikka, Browning, CZ and more. There are some great rifles out there for sure but none that make me want to give up my Kimbers and change brands. All four of mine will shoot five Barnes bullets (handloads) into sub .700 moa groups from cold, clean bores. I can't ask for more. Better shooters would probably shoot in the sub .500 moa range but I've never been capable of that. My brain gets in the way!

A friend of mine is interested in getting a Hunter, so that's good to see. What are your thoughts on the stock on the hunter compared to the other synthetic stocked entry-level rifles?

Flimsy? Decent?

The 84M Hunter won the Golden Bullyeye award for 2017 and is American Hunting Magazine's rifle of the year. The stock is probably one of the most rigid plastic stocks on the market, in large part due to the honeycomb pattern in the forend. In addition, the .30-06 Sprg rifle I shot this past Sunday only weighs 5lb 11oz but it's a pussy cat in terms of felt recoil. I could shoot that thing all day off a bench or even prone without getting beaten up. If you get a chance to handle one you might be surprised by how light the rifle is and how rigid the stock is.
 
The 84M Hunter won the Golden Bullyeye award for 2017 and is American Hunting Magazine's rifle of the year. The stock is probably one of the most rigid plastic stocks on the market, in large part due to the honeycomb pattern in the forend. In addition, the .30-06 Sprg rifle I shot this past Sunday only weighs 5lb 11oz but it's a pussy cat in terms of felt recoil. I could shoot that thing all day off a bench or even prone without getting beaten up. If you get a chance to handle one you might be surprised by how light the rifle is and how rigid the stock is.
I would hope Kimber didn't give it something super flimsy, so that's good!

I personally will be going with a Montana if I go with Kimber for my next rifle, but still, I really appreciate the fact that their entry rifle isn't a completely new model or something with as many corners cut as possible.
 
Is this the point where I'm supposed to chime in and say that a mere .30-06 will simply bounce off an elk? That you should have gotten some modern super uber magnum? Figured I'd better get that out of the way.

Anyway, I'd I were him I'd be all kinds of happy that....

a). I have a rifle that shoots exceptionally well

B). I have a great scope that will be fantastic to use

c). That I have a friend that gets me set up right
 
MCMXI;

Does Kimber now produce rifles with left hand bolts? I could possibly get interested in one if they did. I have a few Zeiss scopes, but not the newer HD-5 series. I wonder if they can still be had with the Zeiss #43 reticle. If so, that'd be about the only change I'd suggest for that rig.

900F, a fellow Montanan
 
redneck2, thanks ... he's very pleased for sure. He only shot two groups on Sunday, one 4-shot group with the 165gr ammunition that was pretty bad, and a 3-shot group with the 180gr ammunition that was 1.204 moa. I gave him some pointers between the first and second groups and it seemed to help. He shoots a lot of .22LR and is quite good. His girlfriend is an ex US Olympian air rifle shooter so she probably taught him a thing or two. The main points I told him to think about were not to force the rifle to the target but rather get it close and hold it there. Also, I stressed the need to try to keep everything the same (cheek weld, recoil pad pressure, left elbow, right elbow, grip, etc.) and don't try to free recoil the rifle. I think he was nervous and unsure for the first group but he settled down and realized that the .30-06 Sprg was soft shooting. He doesn't have much lightweight centerfire rifle experience but based on his second group he'll be fine. His second group is shown below.

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Does Kimber now produce rifles with left hand bolts? I could possibly get interested in one if they did.

Not yet. Left handed rifles require a lot of investment without any guarantee of a decent payback. Sako and Tikka learned this the hard way. Large companies who make and sell 100,000 to 1,000,000 rifles per year can afford to make a few rifles (e.g. 10%) at a loss to round out their offerings but smaller companies aren't able to absorb those costs as easily.

I have a few Zeiss scopes, but not the newer HD-5 series. I wonder if they can still be had with the Zeiss #43 reticle. If so, that'd be about the only change I'd suggest for that rig.

I don't have any of the HD5 series either but I do have four Zeiss Conquest scopes that I bought four to six years ago and all have the RZ reticles which is by far my favorite hunting reticle. The only thing I'd change is to make it illuminated. I don't see that the #43 reticle is available in the Conquest or Terra lines. You have to step up to the Victory line for that reticle. I heard recently that Zeiss has discontinued the RZ600 reticle in the Conquest HD5 2-10x44mm model due to poor sales. Shooters are going to higher and higher magnification scopes these days, in part I think because it's too much effort to practice shooting with more practical scopes in the 10X and lower range. I spent a fair amount of time looking through and using the HD5 shown below and considered buying one of the RZ600 variants before they're all gone but the new RZ reticle isn't sufficiently better than the ones I have and the glass is definitely no better based on a fair amount of side by side comparison. The other downside is that the ocular bell is larger which necessitates using medium rings on the rifle. With the original Conquests I can use low rings if I want which is what my gf has on her Kimber 84M Montana.

My coworker sent me a photo of the rifle. It's not the best photo but it's something to look at. Before we talked about which rifle he should buy I mentioned that I have a spare Mountain Ascent stock that he can have. He likes the idea of swapping the Hunter stock for the Mountain Ascent stock and that's why he went with the Optifade dip on the scope and rings. I made the point that the rifle won't shoot any better with the MA stock but it will take off about 3/8 lb, it looks really good and offers 4+1 capacity compared to 3+1 for the Hunter. Frankly the extra round isn't important to either of us for a hunting rifle but the look and weight reduction are worth the effort ... and it's free so who wouldn't make the swap?! :D I certainly wouldn't buy the MA stock if I had a Hunter because it's really expensive, but then again it's not as expensive as buying a Mountain Ascent from the get go. I guess if you want a fluted and threaded barrel, fluted bolt and bolt handle along with that nice stock you need to pay to play.

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I am glad that you are having a good experience with your Hunter, but others are not. I was very interested in a Hunter 257 Roberts, but my research steered me off of them. Take a look at what Kimber is putting this owner through.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11835069/1

That is but one example I have found. The term Kimber Roulette wasn't spawned without reason.
I was interested in the same gun but reviews have not been good. Maybe we put too much emphasis on MOA. You don't need a gun to drive nails to kill a deer, but I won't have it any other way. If I have $1000 in a rifle it had better shoot. I have had a hold of some Mossberg Patriots and Ruger Americans that would beat MOA out of the box.
 
The link I posted was a reliability and function issue, not an accuracy issue. My Ruger Ultralights are closer to 2 MOA than MOA, but I love them. They are stone cold reliable and WILL extract a hand fed round out of the chamber though. My Savage lightweight hunter will out shoot the Kimber and they can be bought for $499. I wanted to like the Hunter. A reasonably affordable American made rifle offered in 257 Roberts. Kimber needs better QC. When your QC is off, you can get away with it if your customer service is exemplary. Ruger of late makes that case fairly strongly. But when your QC is off and you basically tell a customer to pack sand, your story will get told on the internet and it will affect your bottom line.
 
I am glad that you are having a good experience with your Hunter, but others are not.

I don't think you're pleased at all. You've made a point of posting that link in other threads on other forums started by happy owners and for what? So which others are you referring to?

I wanted to like the Hunter. A reasonably affordable American made rifle offered in 257 Roberts. Kimber needs better QC. When your QC is off, you can get away with it if your customer service is exemplary.

And you're basing this off one post on a forum?! You do realize that the Hunter action is the same as the Montana, Mountain Ascent, Adirondack and Subapline? In other words, any of them could have a defective extractor. I have four Kimbers and have zero extraction issues. I've shot many, many Kimbers and have never seen an extraction issue like the one in the video. For whatever reason it appears that his extractor needs to be "tuned" which is very easy. Things are not always what they seem.
 
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Is this the point where I'm supposed to chime in and say that a mere .30-06 will simply bounce off an elk? That you should have gotten some modern super uber magnum? Figured I'd better get that out of the way.

Anyway, I'd I were him I'd be all kinds of happy that....

a). I have a rifle that shoots exceptionally well

B). I have a great scope that will be fantastic to use

c). That I have a friend that gets me set up right
Couldn't say it better. I bet he's stoked and we know he has one helluva good buddy.
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