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SACOLT

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I am new to the semi-auto dept. I have always shot revolvers, well today I order a SA Mil-Spec. This is goin to be my base gun. After I shoot the heck out of it first. I know that it has some MIM parts in it. but the question I have is the barrel. Does it have the 1 piece or the 2 piece. It is not the GI. but the regular Mil-Spec. The reason I choosed the Mil-Spec over the GI was the sights. Thanks For Helping this neewbie. :D
 
I have a stainless SA "Loaded" with a stainless steel barrel. I had called customer service to ask about another issue, and while I was on the phone, I asked if my gun had a one or two piece barrel. The person I spoke to told me all Springfields came with a two piece barrel. I assume she did not mean the guns that have third party barrels like the "Pro" and some of the other custom shop guns. But from the way I understood it, all Sprigfield barrels are two piece.

I had asked because someone posted a photo of their 2 piece barrel that came apart.

It was apparently a very unusual event. I don't recall anyone else in the thread having had the same (or any) problem with the two piece barrel.

You mentioned the MIM parts and the barrel. Since you intend to shoot the gun a lot before making it your "base gun". I wouldn't look for problems. I think you should just shoot the gun and see if you need (or really even want) any upgrades or changes before you make them. My understanding is if a MIM part is going to fail, it will be sooner than later. If it's a good part, it should stay good. Same with pretty much the whole gun.

I am always kind of amused to see people post that they just purchased a gun and they have a list of 20 or 30 things they are going to replace before they even shoot the gun. Some cosmetic stuff is one thing. Some internals that may be perfectly fine seem to me to be things that can or should be left and see if they are adequate. Some of the lists would add up to cost more than having a custom gun built from scratch. Some of the "improvements" are (IMO) not improvements at all. Like an extended slide release for example....I could never understand the need for this. Truth is, unless my gun jams, I don't even use my slide release. And my (stock) "loaded" has never jammed. (about 3,000 rounds since I got it). If it had no slide release, at all, so far I could have lived without one.

The two piece barrel seems fine. My pistol is extremely accurate. I know some degree of luck is involved....each gun differs, even within the same models. But my "loaded" will shoot one inch groups at 50 feet from a wobbly rest. If my eyesight were better, I could probably do better. Either way, the gun is certainly more accurate than I am.

If you are looking for better accuracy, I believe there are other less expensive things to do before changing the barrel. If you are worried that the 2 piece barrel will come apart, I've only read of the one instance. And IIRC, Springfield replaced that guy's barrel with a one piece barrel under the lifetime warranty.

Peace,
D.
 
i'd x2 check on the 2-piece info...when did you ask CS this? my understanding is that springfield uses storm lake barrels and they machine their barrels from solid barstock.

+1 on the MIM...the MIM issue to me is overated. but i do empathize with the customization bug...the reason why people buy 1911s is because they are so customizable. :)
 
That is why I asked, I have no problems with the MIM parts. But I have seen picture of the broken barrel on the GI, some time last year. That is my only concern.
 
i'd x2 check on the 2-piece info...when did you ask CS this? my understanding is that springfield uses storm lake barrels and they machine their barrels from solid barstock.

+1 on the MIM...the MIM issue to me is overated. but i do empathize with the customization bug...the reason why people buy 1911s is because they are so customizable


I'm not sure exactly when I asked CS about the barrel...but it couldn't have been very long ago.

I found the post with the pics of the failed (separated) two piece barrel. The post was made in May, so it's only been a few months at most.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthr...owthread.php?t=116333&highlight=broken+barrel

Anyway, you can read all about what people believe is better?, forging, whatever. I read in one post that some guy said he could tell by looking that one of his SA guns came with a one piece barrel and one came with a two piece barrel. I know I can't tell by looking at mine. If I hadn't seen the photos of the one that separated, I wouldn't know where the two pieces were even joined. I still can't see on mine that it isn't one piece. Assuming the person was correct who told me they are all two piece barrels, then I have to say the finish on mine is exceptional.....there is just no way I can tell with the naked eye that mine is not one piece. Also the guns are hand fitted. I don't have my gun apart in front of me now, and I'm too lazy (and it's too late at night) to take the thing apart. But the last few digits of the serial number are scratched into some of the internal pieces. The reason is so the pistol-smiths that do the final fitting know which slide, which barrel, etc. go together.

Having seen the pictures of the 2 piece barrel that came apart, the two pieces are the barrel itself, and a sleeve that's welded around the breech end where the link is attached. The actual rifled tube is one piece and from the pictures it seems that even the outer part with the locking ribs are part of the same one piece tube. The second part seems only to hold the link and cover the hood. I can't see how these two pieces if properly attached would make a difference in performance. So maybe, as you said, they do machine their barrels from solid barstock. Maybe they consider the actual tube to be the barrel, and the sleeve to be a different piece. I can even see some logic in that.

So if my gun is shooting one inch groups with a two piece barrel at 50 feet, I know I'm not running to spend a few hundred dollars on another barrel plus whatever the labor would be to fit it perfectly (maybe more than the cost of the barrel). No matter what, it's doubtful I would get any improvement in accuracy.

If I bought the gun and had it customized before I even shot it, I'd not have known that accuracy was something that was already as good as I could hope for no matter what. As I said in the first post...it was probably just luck. I read about guns that shoot two feet low out of the box at 10 yards. Without getting to know your gun, it seems kind of silly to me to make changes based on assumptions.

I agree...customizing a gun is part of the fun of a 1911...no doubt. But my point was not that it shouldn't be done....all I meant is that IMO, I'd want to get familiar with the gun before I started making changes. Get to know what I like and what I don't. In my case I got lucky with accuracy. I could have easily spent a lot of money on a new barrel and bushing and fitting and not have improved accuracy one bit. Its possible I could have spent $400 or so and actually lost accuracy. The things I knew for sure I wanted without needing to shoot the gun were a beaver-tail grip safety, ambi-safety, and better sights. So knowing that, the additional cost of the loaded seemed to make perfect sense as opposed to the mil-spec.

From here? Anything is possible. In a year from now the gun may be very different. But I'll know what I want to change. I certainly won't be spending money to get something that I may have thought I wanted and learned I didn't. I thought I wanted a wider thumb safety before I even got the gun home. As it turns out, I don't. I'd maybe like the thumb safety de-horned, but not wider. I wouldn't have known that without experiencing the gun.

I've had my XD for a lot longer I haven't done a thing to it (it's not that kind of gun .) But since it's the gun I live with, I'm now finally recognizing that the honeymoon is over, and I want some changes. (I'm sure she feels the same about me) :) I actually knew what I wanted a while ago, but like in a real marriage, I figured I'd give the relationship some time. We'd adjust to each other. But now it's time to take up the pre-travel, the over-travel and the long reset. Maybe see if I can get rid of some of the creep (maybe she thinks I AM the creep)

I have a .22 Target Ruger I have more money into upgrades than the gun cost. I've had three and I've had them for a total of a lot of years. So that is another factor. It's easy to make changes on a gun you are familiar with. The XD is my first XD, so almost a year and no changes yet.. My "loaded" is only my second 1911, and I've made some minor changes, with more to come as I learn more about what I like about it and don't. SACOLT who started this thread said he's new to semi-autos. That fact was a big part of why I tried to encourage him to get to know the gun before making changes. I'd say he's got a great gun to build on. He's got the lowered and flared ejection port, and he's got usable sights. He may have a better barrel and bushing than the basic GI. And he's got a somewhat beveled magazine well. Certainly seems like an ideal 1911 to build up.


Peace,
D.

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