New model from Glock, the 37 is real.

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trapshooter,

I think the point is- it fits in a smaller gun.

jimmy,

You really want a .38S or 9x23 Glock? I think someone on Pistolsmith.com converted a Glock 29 to shoot 9x23. Enjoy.

-z
 
Zak,

I'll tentatively concede the smaller gun point. But only until we can match the dimensions of the 37 against, say, a Springfield Micro-Compact, or one of the smaller Para's. The case circumference is the same. (.45 size). The only difference is C.O.L.

So, how much length do you save. Is the barrel that much shorter? Those ballistics out of a barrel in the three inch range, for that cartridge, would be, ballistically, an improvement over a +P .45 in terms of efficiency regarding case size. But it has to come at an increased pressure. Plus, there's a recoil penalty in the decreased weight, given the necessary higher pressure to get the increased velocity out of my assumed shorter barrel. I'm trying to concede your point, but I still don't see it. I can buy a prettty tiny .45 already.

As I said. The prior point about 'military' cartridge prohibitions is the only thing that makes any sense at all. This thing is destined to be a 'collectors' gun. Very soon. JMVHO.
 
Here's how I see it:

Pros:

-G22 size, hopefully will fit existing G22 holsters, so no need to buy more gear, can spend that money on ammo

-For people who like the G22 sized gun, me included, no need to buy the ridiculously expensive preban mags instead of the plugged 10 rounders, which have been prone to not work properly, it's probably designed as a true 10+1, like the KZ45

-Bigger bullets, and since destroying tissue/organs is how handguns wound, bigger is better as long as they penetrate good - This is good for people who like everything about the G22, except the little bullets

-Easily adapted into the G38, an 8+1 45 the size of the G19, which will be a kick *** carry gun (for folks who can't conceal the G22 sized guns), much better than the too wide G30, or the unreliable, breakage prone, 6+1 G36

-Easily adapted into the G39, a 27 sized backup/deep concealment gun, with the same capacity as a G36

-People who are forced to carry America's Police Pistol, the G22, can now carry the same gun with bigger bullets off duty, and have all the muscle memory plusses(man with one gun knows how to use it, etc)

-Perhaps Chiefs across the nation, knowing that some of their troops want bigger bullets in their G22s will let officers buy personally owned G37s to carry on duty, since training/gear will not be an issue

Cons:

-Ammo will be expensive and hard to find at first

-People will try to hot rod the round, and blow numerous guns up, blaming the gun

Dave
 
trapshooter,

I am aware of some very small 1911-style pistols, and have shot the Kimber Ultra Carry (3" barrel, I think) a bunch.

My only argument about fitting in a smaller gun is that, all else equal, a 45GLOCK-chambered pistol can have a smaller grip and some over-all action length might be saved. The double-stack Glock .45's have a grip way to wide for me, and even the single-stack Glock 45 (#36) has a long reach. Reports say that the #37 is the same size as the full-size 9mm, the #17.

If a gun were designed from the ground up for 45GLOCK, it could be smaller than the "same" gun designed for .45ACP - a bit smaller in the grip length, and maybe a bit smaller in OAL.

Unless someone designs new frame dimensions, I don't see an application of .45GLOCK to the 1911 platform. People shy away from short cartridges there already, for reliability reasons.
Increased pressure probably isn't a bit deal in a newly-designed cartridge. Isn't SAAMI .45ACP+P around 20,000PSI? 9x19, .40SW, .357SIG, etc, all operate up around 35,000 PSI. The 45's got a lot of room.
This is all really academic until you can buy .45GLOCK ammo as cheap at .40SW, and there are other compelling pistols chambered in it.

regards
Zak
 
From the pictures on Glocktalk.com,
http://glocktalk.gunserver.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134789

There are some case and cart. dimensions available. The metric conversion is screwed up, as you can see (1.10" = 27.94mm, not 28.9mm, and 11.5mm is .452", not .43"!).

In any regard, the base of the case is about 0.47", while the base for .45ACP is .48". Does this mean that a .45GLOCK round may chamber in a .45ACP, but would "slide on in", unless held by the extractor -- which seems likely, considering a .40SW Glock extractor will grab and hold a 9mm round ??

If .45GLOCK operates at a higher pressure than .45ACP, I can imagine really bad things happening.

-z
 
An important question is what is the construction of the .45 Glock cartridge case compared to the .45 ACP? Is there a difference in case wall thickness? Web taper? The .45 ACP has a pressure cap of 19,000 PSI with the +P version at 23,000 PSI. What has Speer set the limit for the .45 Glock at?

With a shorter case and overall length, you can probably rule out a 230 grain loading. From what I see of the 185 and 200 grain Speer loadings, their advertised muzzle velocities are no better than factory .45 ACP or +P. Remington’s first step into +P territory years ago brought us a 185 grain JHP at 1,150 fps. After that many other companies followed.

There are many, many compact autoloaders on the market, including two from Glock, that are chambered for .45 ACP. The truth of the matter is Gaston Glock wanted a cartridge named after himself. Why not? There is a .40 Smith & Wesson, a .45 Auto Colt Pistol, a 357 SIG. Heck even Cor-Bon jumped on the bandwagon and named one of their own designs the .400 Cor-Bon. Now look at poor Gaston with all those sales of his autoloaders with none of them chambered in a cartridge with his name. Well, over in Austria you have Hirtenberger loading .45 Auto Short for years. Where is Glock? Hmmmm… I’m starting to see a connection.

Could he have gone with a longer case? Well, yes but Detonics did that with the .451 Detonics Magnum. That would also mean that he would have to stick with the model 21/30/36 platform. With his .45 Shorty Glock he can re-release a design with his name on it and stuff it into a smaller frame. So why would a Glock fan want one, he is asked? Because it has the Glock name he answers! Besides, it will fit in existing holsters! What a perk. What happens when someone stuffs a .45 Shorty Glock in a .45 ACP chamber? Well that’s not his problem. What happens when .45 Shorty Glock brass mixes in with .45 ACP? Well that’s not his problem either.

Since Speer is loading this thing it will be interesting to see if ATK allows Federal to offer their own versions. Then we’ll see if Remington and Winchester jump on board too. I can just see Sig and HK rushing to the drawing boards to come out with their own autos for the .45 Shorty Glock. Heck, maybe even S&W and Colt will see the benefits of it. Why, it may be the next best cartridge in the whole world!

Just let me know if I am being too cynical :scrutiny:
 
It'll be interesting to see what kind of longevity the 45 Glock has. HK seems to abandoning the 357 sig. If you're diligent, you can find them, but their rare. Rarely see 357sig pistols in ANY of the shops I wander into. 10mm seems to be more of a niche caliber & only Glock seems to be providing 10mm pistols in any real numbers. 38 super is few & far between.
Bullet is slightly shorter overall than a standard 45 acp, so chances are you wouldn't gain any capacity. The grip will probably be thinner than a 21 w/ similar capacity (14-ish?)

I'd give it a shot. Let's see if this duck has wings
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I'm disappointed too..

..even a .22 cal Glock would have been a better choice than a proprietary castrated .45 ACP. I think they really missed the boat on this one:(. So much for the wait.... :rolleyes: .
 
i would rather see a "357 glock" w/ a single stack 10mm case necked down to .357. 10 rd.s on a slim line G19 sized pistol w/ a 115 gr 9mm bullet travling around 1600fps.
 
Dumb cartridge but great shooter. I'm proud to have had Dave Sevigny on Team Triton and I wish him the best with his new career at Glock. I’m sure he will continue to spank the top shooters across the world.
 
Introducing a new gun which takes a proprietary cartridge is going to be difficult. The .17 HMR has taken off, and hopefully there will be other ammo makers step up to keep prices of the ammo reasonable. Glock will be the only maker of a gun in this caliber for the forseeable future. Who is making the ammo? Reloaders could trim cases, but that takes some dedication. I would be more interested in a single stack design concept or even the .22 idea.
 
Bad idea

If this new ".45 Glock" round is a castrated .45 ACP, I bet the penetration will be sub par. A .45 caliber bullet has a large surface area and thus slows down quicker when penetrating a substance, especially if the bullet is going slow from the start and its a light bullet. Now that they castrated the .45 ACP and turned it into the .45 Kurz essentiallY (if this rumor is true), its going to mean even slower velocity and less bullet weight, but same diameter bullet. I don't think this new round will have sufficient penetration on a side shot (i.e. if you hit someone from the side).
 
Just to be fair, the published vel. numbers put it at +P velocities, maybe a bit more or less. Enough to penetrate. But that picture doesn't make it look smaller than a SA Micro-compact, a Para, or even a Sig P245. I was expecting something a bit bigger than a KT.;)
 
357 sig is selling moderately.

LEAs are looking at 357 sig to replace their 40SW guns.

And the round solves some serious under penetration problems plaguing 9mm, 40SW, and 45 ACP.

If I need to punch through a barrier, I can with 357 sig.

Call down to the Texas State Troopers or the USSS or the FAA Air Marshalls.

Now this 45 kurtz sounds really dumb. Big and really slow bullet. No thanks.
 
Around Seattle, there are several shops carrying a couple of 357 sig guns in Sig Sauer, Springfield, and Glock.

And I can find a couple of Glocks and SW in 10mm as well.

Depends on your market and the diversity.

Out in rural or less populated areas, you can only get a pistol in 9mm, 40SW, or 45 ACP.
 
Why in the world would any one want a 200 grain bullet going only 900 fps?

Now a 200 grainer going 1400 fps would be nice in a smaller package.

Like the G36, an answer to a question unasked.
 
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