New Mossberg 590 8+1 only holds 7 in the tube?

[Dope]

Hey guys,

Got some ammo for my 590 today (2.75" 00 buck), and discovered that I can only fit about 7.5 shells in the tube. This is definitely an 8+1 (20" barrel) 590.

Now, I'm guessing this is related but I live in MA. The shotgun came with a dowel in the tube that limited capacity to 5 shells at first. This is due to tiered licensing in MA, shotguns are limited to a capacity of 5 unless you have the highest class license - which I do.

So I unscrewed the magazine tube cap, removed the magazine spring cap and spring, removed the dowel and reinstalled the same way. Holds just over 7.5 now. Weird? Do I need a shorter spring or something? I tried pushing it pretty hard - it's not moving past a little bit more than 1/2 on the 8th shell.

Anyone ever have this experience? Mind boggling. I am going to repost on northeastshooters in case this is a common MA problem.

Dope

 

[clone]

your sure the 8+1 isnt a typo on the gun shop tag, or the guy behind the counter lied/mispoke? i'v only seen 7+1 in 20inch models.

 

[Trifler]

The Mossberg 590 does indeed list 8+1. I've heard others on here say that Federal's shells are slightly longer though so they only can fit 7 in the tube. Are you using Federal? I was able to load 8 Remington shells in mine.

 

[Dope]

Definitely sure, it says 8+1 right in the manual and everywhere else.

Actually these are "Royal" low recoil 2.75" 00 buck. Never seen the brand but it was the only 00 buck available in the store. I think I'll compare their size to some other rounds I got (slugs, target loads, etc). They might be a little bigger than 2.75". I didn't think of that for some reason because they looked to be the same size. But even even each round is .1" longer than normal it would add up and disallow the 8th from being loaded.

Dope

 

[clone]

woops my bad, i was thinking of 500 models.

 

[hexidismal]

Hmm.. I'm not sure what to tell you on this one. Mine definitely holds 8 shells of 2 -3/4 in the tube. In fact I just checked to make sure. As far as what Trifler mentioned above about federal shells possibly being longer, perhaps that's the case with some specific loading but it's not true of the federal tactical loads I just tested. 8+1 of them fit just fine.

 

[Trifler]

As far as what Trifler mentioned above about federal shells possibly being longer, perhaps that's the case with some specific loading but it's not true of the federal tactical loads I just tested. 8+1 of them fit just fine.

Glad to hear that Hexidismal. I have some Federal ammo but my 590 has been at the gunsmith for two months now so I haven't actually been able to try loading them. Just to clarify, what I said about the Federal shells was just something I read from someone else on here, not my own experience.

 

[Dope]

Thanks for the suggestion guys.

I compared the Royal 00 buck shells to my Remington and Brenneke slugs and they were 1/4" taller. Box says 2.75" but they are actually almost exactly 3.00". 1/4" x 7 shells means 1.75" of the 8th round won't load into the tube. That's what I get for buying a brand that I've never heard of. I'll have to shoot em and get some correctly sized shells. Too bad I can't find anyone that will ship ammo to MA.

Dope

 

[foghornl]

In my Maverick 88 Manual, it states that magazine capacity will be reduced by one round when using 3" shells.

I have never heard of "Royal" brand ammo, though

Does that Royal ammo have the regular "star" crimp, or is it kind of an over-shot wad & roll-crimp arrangement?

 

[Hoppy590]

The shotgun came with a dowel in the tube that limited capacity to 5 shells at first. This is due to tiered licensing in MA, shotguns are limited to a capacity of 5 unless you have the highest class license

theres no capacity limit on manual action arms ( Lever, bolt, pump) i bought my 590 on my FID. i believe only semi auto weapons can be "high capacity"

“Large capacity weapon”, any firearm, rifle or shotgun: (i) that is semiautomatic with a fixed large capacity feeding device; (ii) that is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device; (iii) that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition in a rifle or firearm and more than five shotgun shells in the case of a shotgun or firearm; or (iv) that is an assault weapon. The term “large capacity weapon” shall be a secondary designation and shall apply to a weapon in addition to its primary designation as a firearm, rifle or shotgun and shall not include: (i) any weapon that was manufactured in or prior to the year 1899; (ii) any weapon that operates by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that is a single-shot weapon; (iv) any weapon that has been modified so as to render it permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a large capacity weapon; or (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable large capacity weapon.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-121.htm

so the only manual action gun that could be a high capacity weapon is a revolving shotgun holding 5 or more. think streetsweeper but pump gun. i know of no such weapoin

 

[Dope]

Hmmm I don't know. I assumed thats why my magazine tube came with a dowel in it to limit the capacity to 5 rounds. I read the manual from front to back and it didn't say a thing about it. It did mention a dowel for 500-series (specifically NOT 590s though) Mossbergs to limit capacity to 2 rounds for hunting. That's where I got the idea to check my mag tube because I could initially only load 5 roudns and was very confused.

Strange. Has anyone here from MA bought a 590 very recently?

I'll check my Royal shotshells when I get home, I didn't look them over very much. The last 1/4" of the shell is empty, it's just a 1/4" "lip" at the end. The "crimp" is 1/4" into the face of the shell, if that makes sense.

It was the only 00 buck the shop had, I will have to find a better source for ammo. Why doesn't anyone ship ammo to MA? GAH!

Dope

 

[foghornl]

That's what I meant by a "Roll Crimp"...the end of the hull is 'rolled' into the the shell instead of that kind of star crimp that covers the end of the shot column.

If I get a chance over the weekend, I'll get a close-up pic of both kinds of crimp...although in "macro" mode, my digi-cam stinks.

 

[Smitty in CT]

Cabela's in Hartford, right off of I-84, opens to the public on Friday, Oct 19th!!!

LOTS of ammo choices and you don't need an FID card to buy it!!!

 

[foghornl]

I haven't been able to get a pic yet. So, last night I took one of my 2-3/4" PMC slugs with the 'roll crimp', and a Rem 3"Mag #4 bucshot. Unfired, the 3" buck is only marginally longer than the slug.

After firing, the difference is quite obvious...Rem shell is significantly longer than the roll-crimp slug round.