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Typical anti-stuff.

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=129012&ran=208722



No place for guns at Harborfest

You know what Harborfest really needs, aside from tall ships and nutrition-free foods and copious amounts of beer? It needs more guns.

Specifically, Harborfest needs a guy with a chip on his shoulder and a gun on his hip to use the festival to dare law enforcement to tell him that a weapon in a large crowd of revelers might not be a good idea.

So thank goodness Chester Szymecki Jr. came all the way from Yorktown to Town Point Park, carrying a holstered .45, along with his wife and several children, to make a case for the inviolability of his Second Amendment rights.

When officers pointed out to Mr. Szymecki that his decision to pack heat violated a local ordinance banning weapons at Harborfest - well, you can guess. He protested, was carted away in handcuffs, he says, and almost instantly became the kind of cause célèbre the state's gun-rights lobby needs to rally the faithful.

The local ordinance turns out to run afoul of a state law preventing municipalities from limiting where Virginians can carry a weapon. Since the Dillon Rule bars those same localities from doing anything unless Richmond gives them permission, cities are stuck.

The General Assembly has in recent years decided that the rights of gun owners overwhelm every other right there is, including the right of communities to enact common sense rules to protect public safety, or the rights of people not to be stuck with gun activists trying to make a point.

As always follows one of these stories, Virginia's firearm activists will fall in line to take aim at anyone with the temerity to suggest that their rights have limits. These same groups have so completely cowed anyone who disagrees that Virginians might well wonder whether they live in the Old Dominion or the Wild West.

Suffolk's School Board, for example, was so creeped out that it moved its meetings to Kings Fork High School; a school is one of the very few places where guns can actually be prohibited.

Maybe Norfolk should follow suit and consider moving Harborfest to one of its schools - say, Granby High. After all, even children know that carrying a gun to a party is a bad idea.
 
or the rights of people not to be stuck with gun activists trying to make a point.

I honestly don't know what the 11th Amendment says or is about.

Is it the right of the people not to be stuck with gun activists trying to make a point?
 
This was my observation, posted on their rag about 15 minutes ago:

All other observations aside, what we have here is lawbreaking. The police broke the law. The citizen obeyed the law. The newspaper concludes the cops are right and the citizen is wrong. Thank you Pilot, you are completely abandoned your duty to be the watchdog of the government. You are the lapdog of the government.

I wonder if they will have the testicular fortitude to post it.
 
The local ordinance turns out to run afoul of a state law preventing municipalities from limiting where Virginians can carry a weapon.

pretty much sums it up, dont you think.
The General Assembly has in recent years decided that the rights of gun owners overwhelm every other right there is, including the right of communities to enact common sense rules to protect public safety, or the rights of people not to be stuck with gun activists trying to make a point.

we are stuck with anti-gun protestors trying to make a point, so i guess it is my right to not be stuck with them?

so much BS there that i think i want to puke.
 
[Sarcasm] No Place for Politics on Montgomery Buses

Do you know what Montgomery buses really need, aside from weary travelers trying to get home? It needs political discourse.
At least thats what one Miss Rosa Parks thought on Dec, 1st 1955 when she decided to challenge the local laws requiring Blacks to ride in the rear buses.
When officers pointed out to Ms. Parks that her decision to ride in front violated a local ordinance banning Blacks riding in front of buses - well, you can guess. She protested, was carted away in handcuffs, she says, and almost instantly became the kind of cause célèbre the state's civil-rights lobby needs to rally the faithful.

Alabama's School Board, for example, was so creeped out that it moved its meetings to Kings Fork High School; a school is one of the very few places where races can actually be segregated.

Maybe Montgomery should follow suit and consider moving bus routes to one of its schools - say, Granby High. After all, even children know that mixing races is a bad idea. [/sarcasm]

Parody inspired by the article and historical events.;)
 
You certainly...

lived up to the middle part of your moniker there... tff..

absolutely freaking fabulous...

migoi
 
:confused::confused:hey tff, are you for real. i cant believe you take the point of blaming the gun owner for this. he violated no ones rights. he intimidated no one. the ignorant (uninformed not unintelligent) ones in this situation are those who would have gotten upset at someone haveing a gun. we need more, not less, exposure of the public like this to help them understand that an armed responsible citizen is better for him/her, not more dangerous. :what::what:
 
The local ordinance turns out to run afoul of a state law preventing municipalities from limiting where Virginians can carry a weapon. Since the Dillon Rule bars those same localities from doing anything unless Richmond gives them permission, cities are stuck.

Probably can't get away with passing any Jim Crow laws, either.
 
I read it too. It made me madder than being stuck in an elivator with Hillary and Rosie. I sent them the following letter:

On Wednesday, July 25, 2007, you print at the top of your Opinion page a quote from Frank Batten, publisher from 1954 to 1976:

Our duty is clear: It is to serve the public with skill and character and to exercise First Amendment freedoms with vigor and responsibility

The very next thing I see is your “No place for guns at Harborfest” editorial, where you trash the idea that someone could be able to exercise Second Amendment freedoms with vigor and responsibility. You seem to be in favor of the police handcuffing and arresting a man who has broken no laws.

In this editorial, you state that “THE ISSUE: Norfolk City Council’s powerlessness to ban guns at Harborfest.” That is absolutely true!!

There were plenty of guns at Harborfest. They were in the waistbands and pockets of many of your thugs, gang members, and drug dealers, and yet you are more concerned about a man who has not broken the law than you are about the multiple violent offenders who your court system releases again and again to do their evil. They are the ones who are involved in your drive-by shootings, muggings, carjackings, rapes, home invasions, and murders. How can you have any editorial space to waste when the ‘catch and release’ justice system is destroying our communities?

So let’s suppose that Virginia allows Norfolk to enact a law banning guns at Harborfest. The decent, law-abiding citizens will then be unarmed, but do you really think that the creeps who do the drug dealings, drive-by shootings, muggings, carjackings, rapes, home invasions, and murders give a damn about such a law??

In closing your editorial, you mentioned that the Suffolk School Board moved their meeting to school property to prevent people with guns from attending. School property is gun free by law. Most of the mass shootings have occurred in these ‘gun free’ zones. Those doing these multiple victim shootings may be crazy, but they are not stupid. At least they are not as stupid as the politicians who created these ‘defenseless victim’ zones.

Your final sentence: “After all, even children know that carrying a gun to a party is a bad idea”. Well, I would think that even the children of newspaper editors would know that children can’t buy guns.

We will not be renewing our subscription to your newspaper.

PS:
If the object of gun control laws is the reduction of gun crimes, then mandatory additional sentences of 25 years without parole for any felony committed with a firearm would do it!

If the object of gun control laws is actually control of the citizens by their government, then laws which restrict ownership and use of firearms by that subject people are what is required.
 
a weapon in a large crowd of revelers might not be a good idea.
Why exactly is it a bad idea? It's not going to go off by itself in the holster.

carrying a holstered .45, along with his wife and several children
Didn't take long for the "oh, the children" to come out.

The local ordinance turns out to run afoul of a state law preventing municipalities from limiting where Virginians can carry a weapon
Once again, where's the problem?

After all, even children know that carrying a gun to a party is a bad idea.
Relevance?
 
Here's a copy of the e-mail I just sent:

You know what the Virginian Pilot needs aside from fact-free opinions and copious amounts of anti-gun writers? It needs to stand up equally for all of our civil rights. What makes Harborfest so special that anyone rights should be suspended upon entering the festival grounds? The Second Amendment is every bit as important as the First.

I grow so tired of the Pilot's anti-gun agenda. Why does the author of the Opinion article suggest that legally carried firearms and public safety are mutually exclusive? Why does he seem to think that only criminals and cops have guns, allowing no gray area for regular folks that happen to carry a gun for self-defense? Why does he compare an adult who is legally carrying a gun on public property to a child who would illegally take a gun to party?

Chet Szymecki did not go to Harborfest as a gun activist trying to make a point. Up until the point he was harassed, disarmed, humiliated, and falsely arrested, he was just regular guy out enjoying the festivities like everyone else. Your article fails to mention that Norfolk Police shoved Mr. Szymecki's wife without cause and restrained him in such a way that aggravated an existing medical condition of his. It also fails to mention that the charges against him were subsequently dropped.

I dare you to ask Norfolk Police who causes the most problems at Harborfest. Is it drunken boaters? Unsupervised children? Groups of mischievous teens? Or is it law-abiding gun owners listening to a concert with their families?

Kevin Hix
Portsmouth, VA
 
Just your stereotypical elitist newspaper editor trying to be a big fish in a small pond.
 
What do you expect from these turds? The Virginian-Pilot is owned by Landmark which owns, among other things, the Roanoke Times. Sound familiar? These people never saw a tax they didn't like. Every position of which they approve is "common sense." They're very much supportive of big government (as long as it's Democrat big government that is). They positively hate the current republican administration. I used to read their Op/Eds b/c some of their "articles" were well written. Now all you read about how stupid this person is for not agreeing with them.
 
Maybe Norfolk should follow suit and consider moving Harborfest to one of its schools - say, Granby High. After all, even children know that carrying a gun to a party is a bad idea.

Bullroar. Mass shootings have been happening at schools recently....not too many at gunshows or gun shops.
 
Y'know, 18 USC 241 states that such a thing as described was a federal crime and a felony, committed by those officers under the color of law...

Not real wise, committing felonies in the presence of peaceable armed folk, methinks...
 
The media: defending government's right to tyrannize its citizens!

Every time I hear "the media is our watchdog" I want to get sick. The media is only on the watch for the expansion of government, legal or otherwise.

The media has chose sides. Time to mark our position. Perhaps a gun owner march on the paper?:)
 
"a school is one of the very few places where guns can actually be prohibited"

And that worked so well at Virginia Tech, didn't it? (sarcasm)

This law is one that very badly needs to be rectified.
 
"a school is one of the very few places where guns can actually be prohibited"

And that worked so well at Virginia Tech, didn't it? (sarcasm)

This law is one that very badly needs to be rectified.

If I understand it correctly, the state law prohibiting guns in schools (it's a felony charge) doesn't cover colleges and universities. Even state owned. Weapons can be prohibited at "institutions of higher learning" but the worst that can happened is expulsion and a trespass charge. The trespass charge is used rather infrequently b/c it's basically a waste of time (a low misdemeanor - big deal). The threat of expulsion is the big deterrent. Get expelled for a weapons violation and that will appear on every transcript from that school. The administration pursues these avenues vigorously when a student is caught.(they go just as ape**** over this as any city/county school board would).

When I was in grad school, my major advisor had the bad experience of trying to defend a student caught on university property with a handgun. The student was of age, bought the handgun legally, and was stupid enough to stow it in his dorm room and tell his roommate about it. He evidently "forgot" about the provision in the lease prohibiting guns on university property. The disciplinary apparatus of the university did their best to expel him, but the provost opted for suspension and removal (under threat of trespass charge) for one year. After one year, he was allowed back. I have no idea how this incident was noted in his record. My major advisor was cool about guns and knew of my interest in them. He questioned me quite a bit about my hobby with the hopes of finding something useful to help this guy out (he did help, the provost was set to expel before meeting with this professor).

So you can carry on university property (at least in VA), but if they find out you did, they'll come after you as if you killed somebody. If you don't have a concealed carry permit, the officer will charge you with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit (a misdemeanor). But they will also report you to the dean and he/she will institute formal proceedings without fail. It's also important to note that this proceeding is not a legal proceeding. The student has no rights. He's at the mercy of the disciplinary committee. You can have a lawyer present, but the committee will still do whatever they please. As long as they don't do anything opening prejudicial, discriminatory, or in violation of state and federal law, you can't do a thing about it. I believe there is an appeal process, but I don't have a high opinion of that either. It's still internal.
 
Man, that guy must be really strong!

Newspapers are no long the bastion of English grammar. When I was in school, English teachers used to recommend reading the local newpaper because the writing was so well done. I doubt they recommend it now. This particular paper I know to be extremely sloppy. Each story contains multiple spelling and/or grammar mistakes. Many times, run-on sentences are so bad, it's distracting. Reporters and editors no long appear to proof read submissions.
 
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