New project 1903 Springfield .22

What should I do now that I have acquired all of the parts for a .22 1903 conversion


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Starting a new project.

About two years ago, I bought a D&T Springfield 1903 barrelled receiver 1916 dated with a postwar 1919 .30-06 barrel off of gunbroker for cheap. Built it out into a WWI display model (not for firing due to the ht problems) with the appropriate bolt. Did some more research, both online, and comparing pictures and serial numbers with Brophy, and believe that the receiver actually came from a 1903 Hoffer Thompson Galler rifle trainer (has the appropriate 22 stamped on the bridge of the receiver, in the same font, etc.). Thought about locating a .30 caliber barrel, sleeving it, having the chamber converted to Hoffer Thompson which apart from the barrel and the chambering (designed so a .30-06 round would not be able to feed) and perhaps a different firing pin spring was nearly identical to a 1903. It used a special cartridge adapter that resembled a misshapen rifle round and allowed a .22 short to be fired within the converter. Brophy suggested that reject receivers were used at least initially to create these rifles along with obsolete sights for the shortlived .30-03.

But, the more that I thought about it, I was concerned that a) a direct replica might be confused with the real deal after I shuffle off of this world, b) the accuracy of the gallery rifle was apparently abysmal, c) that the project might turn out badly as the hoffer-thompson chambers are not that well documented, would require a special reamer, and so on.

For those reasons, I am considering making the a full military 1903 chambered in .22 LR. To do this, I have been gradually acquiring 1922 M2 parts, the Holy Grail was the M2 .22 barrel which I have just now acquired through an Ebay auction (long story there omitted). The barrel is worn with shallow pitting on the outside but it is uncut, has the original front sight base, and the bore and chamber are shiny with some wearing on the rifling, and the chamber end with the special extractor cut is fine. I may reline the barrel or not after shooting it. Have a suitable machined block for the 1903 receiver, magazine, trigger guard, etc. The receiver is tapped for a Lyman aperture sight already which is why I got it cheap.

My questions are (1) whether I should try to rebarrel a potentially low number Hoffer Thompson SHT brittle receiver which has already been rebarrelled and apparently shot with .30-06 or (2) should I find another low number stripped receiver which are around fairly cheap and build a 1903 replica of a 1922 M2 where I would be less worried about cracking and breaking a rare receiver.

I am not worried about the potential for a future buyer mistaking a 1903 receiver for a 1922 Springfield as even the sight impaired could note the receiver markings. Already have a nicely grained 1903 Remington WWII sporterized stock for a 1903 and and can use the parts already acquired to make it a full .22 copy of a 1903 as well.

I would use the good barrel taken off of the 1903 Hoffer Receiver for another project which is why I bought the barrelled receiver for $75 in the first place. The reason I bought the barrelled receiver was to make a shootable 1903 high number or mark I rifle in the future. Already have a 03a3.

I am doing something similar with a bare early SMLE receiver as well but not as far along on that project.

I'll try to post pix later.
 
Yeah, save the (potentially) brittle D&T receiver as an artifact of it's own.

The wobbly nature of the cartridge adapter needed for the D&T is probably what kept them from being more widely used.

Then, build the ad hoc M2/M22 as outlined above.

What you might consider, for Posterity's sake is engraving the parts with an "assembled by" on [date]; even adding a modern date stamp on the barrel.

Or not, this is your build after all.
 
Yeah, save the (potentially) brittle D&T receiver as an artifact of it's own.

The wobbly nature of the cartridge adapter needed for the D&T is probably what kept them from being more widely used.

Then, build the ad hoc M2/M22 as outlined above.

What you might consider, for Posterity's sake is engraving the parts with an "assembled by" on [date]; even adding a modern date stamp on the barrel.

Or not, this is your build after all.

Thanks for the input. I figure using a 1903 receiver and a sporterized WWII era 1903 S stock , so it would be pretty clear that it is not a m1922 or its variants as all of them were clearly stamped and have distinctive pistol grip stocks. I am also using an ersatz replica trigger guard made of aluminum painted with durablue and a aftermarket 1922 floorplate from Numrich as the 1922 has distinctive cuts in its trigger guard's magazine. Using aluminum makes it clear that it is not original and also makes it easy to alter something that is not historical.

I have a real problem with altering historical parts but aftermarket restoration parts, not so much. A lot of them require filing and fitting as tolerances are off. If I am not actually restoring something, I usually try to make sure that the firearm cannot be sold as a true collectible ie wrong parts etc. but you gave me a useful idea to engrave or stamp something as well on the barrel and receiver. I'll also use a WWII era buttplate. I am currently soaking the 1938 vintage barrel to loosen lots of what I hope is lead fouling near the chamber--at the bore, it is almost pristine rifling. I'll sleeve the barrel if I have to but hopefully will not need to. The most expensive and time consuming part to creating a new version of this barrel would be the machining work necessary which is why I put off the project until I could get a genuine 1922 .22 barrel.
 
Sounds good. Legit M2/M22 command a pretty penny, so you have an ecellent roadmap to something fun.

I wound up giving in and just getting a Mossy M44 as the M22 market always just seemed out of reach.

I know, 1903's are high enough but sellers of m1922's are asking $1500 to $2000 for decent examples. Restamped M2's are bringing around $1000.

I should be into my build for about $300-400 by the time that I am finished depending on whether I have to resleeve or not.

I missed out on CMP sales of those years ago. They are a nice .22 rifle with military heritage. My interest has been shifting in the direct of .22 LR now that ammo is available again and I have most of what I want in milsurp centerfire. Getting in an stripped pre WWI Enfield No. 1 receiver that I might turn into a .22 training version or not depending on the condition.
 
Will the M22 barrel even thread into a standard 03 receiver ring? I thought the 22s were built on dedicated (somewhat smaller) receivers. Also, how do you plan to get the firing pin to hit the rim primer rather than center fire? It sounds like a great idea, but the challenges seem pretty great as well.....will this be a single shot or repeater?
 
Will the M22 barrel even thread into a standard 03 receiver ring? I thought the 22s were built on dedicated (somewhat smaller) receivers. Also, how do you plan to get the firing pin to hit the rim primer rather than center fire? It sounds like a great idea, but the challenges seem pretty great as well.....will this be a single shot or repeater?
No the 1903 receiver works fine and the barrels are 1903 barrels that were chambered in .22 with no cone and it has machining for .22 extractor and ejector. I am using a 1922 m2 bolt which has adj headspace screws to adjust to individual receiver. You have to use a fill piece for the right side of a 1903 receiver usually silver soldered as the .22 bolt has a single lug. These conversions were done in the past until .22 barrels became scarce. There are slight dimensional differences in the 1922 receiver and the 1903 but that mainly affects inletting of the stocks. Using a 1903 stock for a 1903 receiver is fine. Using a m2 stock requires inletting for a 1903 receiver.
 
No the 1903 receiver works fine and the barrels are 1903 barrels that were chambered in .22 with no cone and it has machining for .22 extractor and ejector. I am using a 1922 m2 bolt which has adj headspace screws to adjust to individual receiver. You have to use a fill piece for the right side of a 1903 receiver usually silver soldered as the .22 bolt has a single lug. These conversions were done in the past until .22 barrels became scarce. There are slight dimensional differences in the 1922 receiver and the 1903 but that mainly affects inletting of the stocks. Using a 1903 stock for a 1903 receiver is fine. Using a m2 stock requires inletting for a 1903 receiver.
Cool, rock on! We need pics when its done! :)
 
I passed on a gorgeous 1922 couple years ago for $1100. It sat on the shelf torturing me for bout a month: wish I'd just done it now. :(

They have really escalated in price. Even a complete Numrich 1903 .22 conversion kit sold in the 1950's has went from about $600 a few years ago to $1000-1200. Barrels, when available, are priced from $250 on up. I have considering this conversion for about two years now and been collecting information and the other parts that I needed. The M2 Bolts are pretty plentiful, original magazines are about $75-100 but aftermarket are available for about $50.

If you know a good machinist, some have converted using 1903 .30 barrels sleeved for a .22 but you need someone to make an adapter plug/bushing for the .22. Reid Coffeld of the Shotgun News, wrote a series of articles about 4-5 years ago describing turning a 1903 drill rifle into a .22. In his case, the parts were cheap but the machining needed to do that was extensive as he manufactured his own bolt, firing pin, and extractor from an existing 1903 scrap bolt and cut and drilled out a plugged 1903 drill rifle barrel to act as a sleeve for an old .22 target barrel from Numrich. The cut section of the .30 barrel was hidden underneath the handguard. That's what led me to think about it.

In the future, I may convert a scrap Swedish Mauser receiver to a single shot .22 which is easier and a No. 1 Mk. III Enfield (aka SMLE) as well. The ranges I use are indoor mostly and it is easier to shoot .22's instead of waiting for rifle lanes to open. Health issues have restricted my travel and outside activities until recently so travel to outdoor ranges were limited to a couple of times per year.
 
I passed on a gorgeous 1922 couple years ago for $1100. It sat on the shelf torturing me for bout a month: wish I'd just done it now. :(

Please let me know if you think of anything else on the conversion. I am sure that I have not thought of everything that could go wrong and prefer to have my ignorance addressed before the project begins than after. I will post pictures but need to get a better digital camera--my attempts have been muddy and poor resolution which leads me to scrap posting them. I was a lot better picture taker with a plain SLR and Kodak film.
 
Dupage trading has NOS low hump upper hand guards for cheap. They often have stock wood bits upper and lower bands too. I just found all the parts to remilitarize my '18 Springfield there.
Dealt with them years ago on a 1917 stock. I'll check them out. Thanks.
 
Personally I would do it full stocked. The half stock was probably the main reason I passed on the '22. Also, then nobody could possibly mistake it for the genuine article.

Here is a picture of a .22 barrelled conversion Rock Island 1903 receiver with an M2 Bolt and barrel with Lyman aperture sights. This is basically what I aim to do.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/692051150
 
For those curious, there was a M-1 .22lr training rifle, built to emulated the 1903. It had a single band, cut down stock.

Our man John Garand actually worked on the M2/22 project to further reduce the number of custom parts needed, and to allow a lot more "drop in" fit. The M2/22 also used a single band cut-down stock. So, the profile is entirely appropriate for a "built up" M22.

A number of M-1 rifles were converted to M2 status, they were usually stamped with a second "1" stamp, meant to be read as "II" for two. The M22 was a further refinement of the M2; and some were double struck with a second "2."

A Lyman or Redfield peep sight was standard equipment for all of the .22lr training rifles. *Which rather skipped the step of calibrating a ladder sight to .22lr (or long/short). Entirely appropriate fro what was typically a 25 yard trainer/gallery rifle.
 
Okay, time to revive the thread with some updates. First, have finally obtained a D&T High Numbered Rock Island Armory receiver for the M2 barrel. It appears that the M2 barrel timing marks will also match the receiver and the chamber cuts for the M2 bolt extractor--probably do initial fitting next week when I set up my barrel vise and action wrench for it. A functioning M2 bolt was obtained along with a filler piece to allow the headspacing screw to function on the bolt (the M2 receiver bridge only has the left sidewall of the receiver cut because the .22 bolt only has one front lug--a regular 03 receiver has both the left and right sidewall as the Springfield 03 has two functioning front functioning lugs). You also have to use the M2 magazine cutoff assembly which I have. The cutoff has no effect on the M2 magazine but on the M2, the altered cutoff is for bolt removal only. Finally found a reasonably priced M2 trigger guard at SS Firearms today (it is a converted 1903 one). Plan to use an aftermarket M2 magazine replica.

Others doing this conversion have soldered the steel filler piece for the right side of the 1903 receiver bridge in place. I am reluctant to using high temperature solder as the bolt thrust from a .22 LR is minimal and the screws through the receiver wall plus the solder should hold. After I consult with their gunsmiths on staff, I may use Brownells Hi-Force 44 along with screws through the right receiver bridge wall for retention which will do double duty to mount a Lyman or Redfield peep sight. Otherwise, I could use the original Hoffer Thompson 1903 gallery gun receiver which is already tapped in that place but that would take barrel removal and risk breaking an old receiver (if it is brittle). Right now, it is configured as a 1903 post WWI display rifle which I have no desire to shoot as is.
 
From your posts it looks as though you want a 22 LR that is as close to original as possible. So, this may not be something you want to read, but you can buy outstanding modern 22 lr barrels and have a gunsmith copy the military contour, parkerize the thing, and it will look "original". Shilen barrels have an excellent reputation, I am using a Benchmark on one Anschutz. With a new barrel and match chamber the rifle will shoot to its potential.

I had a guy bring out an original M1922 to one of my Small bore Prone matches, and he shot some good 100 yard groups with the thing. His rifle was beautiful, hardly been shot, so I believe the rifle is capable of a high degree of accuracy with match ammunition.
 
Hmmm, I'm slightly (ok alot less) less ambitious, but I'm thinking I may find a beat up Marlin or Savage .22 action and drop it in one of the extra 1903 stocks Ive got laying around....solder on a ladder sight, get some cheap stamped '03a3 hardware........oh ya new project, Woot Woot!

Thanks for the update Boom Boom! Don't be a stranger......:)
 
From your posts it looks as though you want a 22 LR that is as close to original as possible. So, this may not be something you want to read, but you can buy outstanding modern 22 lr barrels and have a gunsmith copy the military contour, parkerize the thing, and it will look "original". Shilen barrels have an excellent reputation, I am using a Benchmark on one Anschutz. With a new barrel and match chamber the rifle will shoot to its potential.

I had a guy bring out an original M1922 to one of my Small bore Prone matches, and he shot some good 100 yard groups with the thing. His rifle was beautiful, hardly been shot, so I believe the rifle is capable of a high degree of accuracy with match ammunition.
Good to know.

I have a good 1935 Springfield Armory M2 .22 LR barrel with a gleaming fore and believe it or not, it appears that it will clock just fine along with the front sight using the reference marks on the receiver and barrel.

I want the project rifle to be different enough so that sometime in the future, if someone unscrupulous gets the rifle that it cannot be pawned off as an original. The receiver is a tell of course and the suggestion that I make it a fully military stocked rifle is also good (have a good S stock in surplus along with an early cut 1903a3 stock that used pins instead of recoil bolts). BTW, Thanks Nightlord as I got that 1903 Springfield handguard from Dupage. The S&S trigger guard from my understanding is an altered 1903 instead of the original .22 from Springfield Armory and I will use an aftermarket magazine (if it works decently).

I could mount the obsolete 1905 sight as the original 1922 model used as I have the sight base and the sight ladder, or I could scope it as the receiver was already D&T'd before I bought it but I have a strange liking for iron sights. I will also have to run screws into the right side of the receiver as support for the soldered fill piece inside the bolt lug channel.

BTW, Slamfire, did you ever do calculations on the bolt thrust generated by a .22 LR. Found your interesting stuff on other cartridges regarding bolt thrust but no such luck on .22 LR. I have seen estimates of around 4-5,000 psi but have no way of knowing if those are approximately accurate. The Brownell's High Force 44 solder supposedly runs in strength from 14,000-28,000 psi tensile strength and melts before it would affect heat treatment of the receiver.
 
Hmmm, I'm slightly (ok alot less) less ambitious, but I'm thinking I may find a beat up Marlin or Savage .22 action and drop it in one of the extra 1903 stocks Ive got laying around....solder on a ladder sight, get some cheap stamped '03a3 hardware........oh ya new project, Woot Woot!

Thanks for the update Boom Boom! Don't be a stranger......:)

Sorry haven't been around, been lurking but not commenting very much in the New Year. Got the creeping crud and have a major research project that I have to do for a presentation in the near future as well as trying to do some renovation work on a basement room.

Have some advancement on the other project thread with the No. 1 rifle resurrection about done apart from fitting the stock to it, still lacking just the front sight for a Berthier m. 16, and frankly having issues with the Long Lee as neither SMLE nor the Long Lee parts I bought from NZ appear to work with the receiver. The 71/84 Mauser is still soaking in ATF so I don't have to destroy the screws to get the receiver apart. If it warms up, I may use electrolysis to remove rust from it. Still don't have a bolt for it so still looking. This one will be a wall hanger but I want it to be complete, functional, and look decent. Only have about $100 in the whole project counting the stock/mag but have spent a lot of time trying to remove those screws without damage.

The screw holes in the Long Lee (No. 1, Mk. 1) receiver don't appear to be standard for either the Long Lee or SMLE mag release, triggers, and trigger guards. I will probably have to post a begging for information post on the Enfields boards on milsurps.com and/or gunboards. I am reluctant to alter something if I do not have to. This one will probably be converted to a single shot .22LR anyway using a sleeved insert which was quite common for these in the past from what I understand. Long Lee barrels are pretty much made of unobtanium and while I could convert it to a SMLE configuration by removing the old rough cut barrel, not really worth it as I have other SMLE's. Using a tired old receiver as a .22LR conversion strikes me as a way to keep it shooting, while respecting its history. Might do that with a Lebel receiver I have too but haven't really looked into that much as it will be much more involved than conversion of a SMLE. Bolts, firing pins, and extraction are always issues on conversions and it is easier if someone has already done it and those parts are available albeit rare. Also have a Husky Swedish Mauser project to finish but I have all the parts for that one including a new old stock barrel. It will probably go to the gunsmith soon.

My Oberndorf 1916 GEW is still at the gunsmith along with an 1895 Chilean Long Rifle for rebarrelling. The GEW still has the roller coaster Grand Vizier sights and a very good bore but the barrel needs to be requalified and then the sights usually have to be adjusted. The Chilean gets an 1894 Brazilian Mauser barrel in decent condition.
 
Hmmm, I'm slightly (ok alot less) less ambitious, but I'm thinking I may find a beat up Marlin or Savage .22 action and drop it in one of the extra 1903 stocks Ive got laying around....solder on a ladder sight, get some cheap stamped '03a3 hardware........oh ya new project, Woot Woot!

Thanks for the update Boom Boom! Don't be a stranger......:)

If you look around, I believe that some commercial .22 LR's were made that resemble the 1903. I'll check Brophy on that but I saw it someplace. A Ranger 36A barrelled action might work with some alterations needed. Gunbroker has a ton of .22lr barrelled receivers for pretty cheap. Find the dimensions for one closest to what you want.
 
If you look around, I believe that some commercial .22 LR's were made that resemble the 1903. I'll check Brophy on that but I saw it someplace. A Ranger 36A barrelled action might work with some alterations needed. Gunbroker has a ton of .22lr barrelled receivers for pretty cheap. Find the dimensions for one closest to what you want.
If you look around, I believe that some commercial .22 LR's were made that resemble the 1903. I'll check Brophy on that but I saw it someplace. A Ranger 36A barrelled action might work with some alterations needed. Gunbroker has a ton of .22lr barrelled receivers for pretty cheap. Find the dimensions for one closest to what you want.

Well, some of the 52 Winchesters came close, but they go for more than a M1922!

My Marlin 80e is a little reminiscent of an '03:
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But I'm thinking something like a Savage MK2 in a full 1903 stock. Hmmmmm might even screw on an 03a3 rear peep and go with the long wood up front. Would probably be a mite easier than swaging on an 03 rear sight base and ladder- cheaper too.
 
Sorry haven't been around, been lurking but not commenting very much in the New Year. Got the creeping crud and have a major research project that I have to do for a presentation in the near future as well as trying to do some renovation work on a basement room.

Have some advancement on the other project thread with the No. 1 rifle resurrection about done apart from fitting the stock to it, still lacking just the front sight for a Berthier m. 16, and frankly having issues with the Long Lee as neither SMLE nor the Long Lee parts I bought from NZ appear to work with the receiver. The 71/84 Mauser is still soaking in ATF so I don't have to destroy the screws to get the receiver apart. If it warms up, I may use electrolysis to remove rust from it. Still don't have a bolt for it so still looking. This one will be a wall hanger but I want it to be complete, functional, and look decent. Only have about $100 in the whole project counting the stock/mag but have spent a lot of time trying to remove those screws without damage.

The screw holes in the Long Lee (No. 1, Mk. 1) receiver don't appear to be standard for either the Long Lee or SMLE mag release, triggers, and trigger guards. I will probably have to post a begging for information post on the Enfields boards on milsurps.com and/or gunboards. I am reluctant to alter something if I do not have to. This one will probably be converted to a single shot .22LR anyway using a sleeved insert which was quite common for these in the past from what I understand. Long Lee barrels are pretty much made of unobtanium and while I could convert it to a SMLE configuration by removing the old rough cut barrel, not really worth it as I have other SMLE's. Using a tired old receiver as a .22LR conversion strikes me as a way to keep it shooting, while respecting its history. Might do that with a Lebel receiver I have too but haven't really looked into that much as it will be much more involved than conversion of a SMLE. Bolts, firing pins, and extraction are always issues on conversions and it is easier if someone has already done it and those parts are available albeit rare. Also have a Husky Swedish Mauser project to finish but I have all the parts for that one including a new old stock barrel. It will probably go to the gunsmith soon.

My Oberndorf 1916 GEW is still at the gunsmith along with an 1895 Chilean Long Rifle for rebarrelling. The GEW still has the roller coaster Grand Vizier sights and a very good bore but the barrel needs to be requalified and then the sights usually have to be adjusted. The Chilean gets an 1894 Brazilian Mauser barrel in decent condition.
Ya, my current projects are:

1) Strip/sand/refinish the wood on my Browning Auto-5
2)Strip and BLO stock on my 1903 MK1
3)Strip/stain/BLO my Garand stock (might do Tung oil on this one)
4)Strip/stain/ BLO the stock on my chromed M1 carbine drill rifle
5)Final fitting on my Luger shoulder stock hardware.
Yay, woodwork......I hate woodwork, its too much of an art form. My brain don't really work that way.
Im a tech by trade, so I much prefer to see something broke and fix it to make it function. Lol.
 
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