New reloader in need of some help

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Hello all.
X mass I got a lee challenger press from my sister.
Yesterday my dies came in. (I didn't think it wood take 6 months to find dies in Stock)

Anywho. I dont have powder or primers or any of that yet. (Payday is way off)
What I do have is a bunch of Wolf .223. That my AR can't shoot. And a bunch of American eagle brass that it already has.

What I would like to do is take the bullet, primer and powder Out of the wolf and load it in the AE brass.

But using my kinetic puller I haven't gotten them apart without loosing at least a little powder.

But what I've gathered is the wolf had any were from 19 to 21 grains of powder in it. With bullets weighing 55 to 57+ gn.
And varied in bullet lengths. Case length. Ect

I think I'm being to picky. Cause I'm trying to make every round PERFECT....I think.
I have been following my lee load data for n130 I believe.
I have made 7 rounds using 21 grains of the powder. With all OAL at 2.244"

Am I on the right track? An ok track?
Or missing eye in my future?

Any advice on how to reload the wolf into AE brass would be greatly helpful
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Maybe I'm just not following you, but what makes you think it is n130 powder?
Why are you using that data from the Lee manual to swap components? Never assume anything with powders. Maybe you could clarify this for me.
 
Why can't your AR shoot wolf .223 ammo? Most people are usually concerned with the bi-metal bullet shortening barrel life, but the steel casing should not really be an issue.
 
It was the only one with a starting load under 22 grains. And longest OAL with 55gn bullet. (According to the data I had on hand)
I was trying to make sure if I was screwing up. I would be on the under pressure side.
I didn't think it was that type. But it gave me what I hoped was safe

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Why can't you shoot the wolf rounds in your .223, are they 5.6mm? What you are planning sounds like trouble if you do not know what kind of powder you are pulling, maybe you could trade it for something that your rifle will shoot, or some components that are compatible.
 
And if anyone knows what powder it is. That wound be great too!
Or how much powder I should use and a better OAL to use.

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The case gets stuck in my AR.
Every one needed to be hammered out.

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I can't shoot Wolf because the case gets stuck. Won't extract. And I have to hammer it out with a rod. Every round I've tried to shoot.
The brass works fine.
I have a reloading kit...
I hoped i could just swap it over to brass.

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hold the phone!

I'm guessing that reloading is a new endeavor for you?? If that is the case, I first say "welcome to a great hobby"! That being said I think you are starting off in a bad direction. What you are describing doing is in my opinion a very poor practice for an experience reloader and a dangerous practice for a new reloader! You would be best to gather your components, read your books and follow your recipes...not dumping unknown powder into different cases and experimenting with something that generates 55-60,000 PSI. :what: Please stick to known loads that you find published in your manuals, start low, work up...do your due diligence. Components are starting to show up. If you have a friend that reloads have them give you 100 small rifle primers if need be. As far as that inertia bullet puller...you can beat that thing till it explodes into shards of plastic and I doubt you will be able to pull a 55 grain bullet...tight small neck, not enough mass to the bullet. You've got physics working against you not for you. If those wolf rounds are sticking in your AR, I would suspect that she has had a lot of lacquered steel cases run through her and it has melted lacquer into the chamber and until its cleaned out they will continue to stick. Any AR I have ever had or seen will fire those fine. I apologize if I sound condescending or scolding...that is not my intent. :)
 
Lol
Why?
I'm young, energetic and have a smart phone that dinks with every subscribed thread post.

I thought It was a good thing to seek help in an area I'm not an expert in.
Even if I am a bit excitable.

Sorry!


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young and energetic is great! Even I was at one time! :D I just think that you should make sure you stay safe and keep all your appendages, eyeballs and parts. What you are describing doing sounds very plausible. I just want take a breath and get into this hobby safely. ;)
 
Like others have said, welcome to the hobby.

I would think that as long as you did a 1 to 1 conversion from steel case to brass case reusing each component but the case, and double checking COAL and individual case length, you would be ok. I would not however, batch pull the wolf ammo, and batch load into the new brass.

I guess im not understanding what everyone here is getting upset over.
But i will let others chime in as to why that is a bad idea.

I think the problem you may wind up running into though even if its technically feasible, If i'm not mistaken Wolf ammo is Berdan primed. While your AE brass is boxer primed.

That i think will be your stopping point.
 
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I may be off track but I think it is a horrible idea to use a powder that you have no idea as to its identity.

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Raddiver,
I'm certainly not getting upset and didn't mean to sound that way...hence the ending of my message. I think as you point out a 1 to 1 is probably ok. The point I was trying to make and perhaps I did not articulate it appropriately is that reloading has the potential to have bad things happen. I think it is VERY important especially a new reloader to do everything "by the book"...no pun intended. :D
 
I think it is VERY important especially a new reloader to do everything "by the book".
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I couldnt agree more.

I would also agree with hunter that you should probably get a few "By the book" loads done first before attempting something like this.
There are plenty of minor gotcha's that creep up. Add those on top of inexperience and it could be bad.

Hell i've been doing this for 2-3 years now, and i still learn something new almost daily.
Im sure the "Elders of Reloading" can say the same thing.
 
hunterwinco said:
I'm guessing that reloading is a new endeavor for you?? If that is the case, I first say "welcome to a great hobby"! That being said I think you are starting off in a bad direction. What you are describing doing is in my opinion a very poor practice for an experience reloader and a dangerous practice for a new reloader! You would be best to gather your components, read your books and follow your recipes...not dumping unknown powder into different cases and experimenting with something that generates 55-60,000 PSI. :what: Please stick to known loads that you find published in your manuals, start low, work up...do your due diligence. Components are starting to show up. If you have a friend that reloads have them give you 100 small rifle primers if need be. As far as that inertia bullet puller...you can beat that thing till it explodes into shards of plastic and I doubt you will be able to pull a 55 grain bullet...tight small neck, not enough mass to the bullet. You've got physics working against you not for you. If those wolf rounds are sticking in your AR, I would suspect that she has had a lot of lacquered steel cases run through her and it has melted lacquer into the chamber and until its cleaned out they will continue to stick. Any AR I have ever had or seen will fire those fine. I apologize if I sound condescending or scolding...that is not my intent. :)
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Iv been pulling the wolf fine with it. No damage so far
I have no friends that remotely understand reloading or ballistics. I shoot on my own property so never had "local" help for anything from a range atmosphere. Range fees are just ridiculous near by. For a pistol distance v range. Never been worth it.

I did a bunch of research. Every answer I read followed along the "just sell/trade/shoot the wolf and buy quality stuff next.


I'm gonna try the 1 to 1 approach. I belive that should work. But first I'm gonna measure case h20 capacity. If the brass had smaller cap (meaning higher pressure) ill just pull the wolf and use it for my 22 pellet shooting


Oh.
Ar upper is new ish.
About 700 rounds through it
4 of them wolf. I discovered wolf gets stuck after buying 300 or so rounds. And so stopped buying it.

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Just cause payday is way off is no reason to risk your life. You shod buy a reloading manual and read it a few times
 
didnt see an answer, but are you sure the wolf is .223? And i was all for you pulling the components off 1 case, and transplanting them to a different one... that is until i saw you have 300 of them! I was thinking 20 or so, which would still be a lot of work. Just sell them and buy ammo that works! I am not sure why you would want to try to break down 300 rounds? The time involved and potential for disaster is just way too much for me!
 
So the fact that you have 2 different primer pockets means nothing to you?
Have you even read a reloading book? Let alone a couple?

I think the fact that you were unable to answer a question asked to you three times is a testimant as to why these gentilemen are worried about giving you reloading advice.
 
What I would like to do is take the bullet, primer and powder Out of the wolf and load it in the AE brass.
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While I can appreciate being eager I don't see this as a good idea for many of the reasons mentioned. I also have a question. I don't shoot the Wolf ammunition but isn't the .223 Wolf ammunition Berdan Primed? Even if you manage to remove the Berdan primers, if I am correct, which will not be an easy task, you can't use the Berdan primers in a case like American Eagle designed for a Boxer type primer.

<EDIT> I see Field Tester hit on the primer issue about a min. before me. :) </EDIT>

Ron
 
Yeah its 223

I just looked at some old boxes. And its tulammo. My bad for the mix up. I just had them in an ammo box is all.
And I have wasted a bunch because I didnt have reloading equipment.
I pulled the bullet. Dumped the powder. Popped in a 22 cal pellet and shot it in my back yard.
So I have over a hundred left.
I figured I could use the powder and bullets. But I'm getting a lot of neg responses.

The internal case dimensions are the same.
Both hold exactly 30 grains of water. So a transplant sound be safe.

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I see and answer all question as soon as I see them.
But im thinking my post arnt uploading
As fast as your guys. So it appears at to I'm ignoring blatant things

I have read some reloading manuals. Around 5. A layman, lee, speer, 2 older hornadys.
I have about 30 on my computer. Published from 1910 upto 2005.

Unfortunately they all for the most part say the same thing.

The TULAMMO (I again apologize for the mix up) is boxer primed.


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