New to HPR shooting...Scope questions

[swordsman2000]

Pardon me if this has been addressed

I'm experienced with pistol and 12 gauge pump but I'm new to HPR shooting...I have got a Rock River Predator Pursuit upper on an LMT lower with the LMT 2 stage trigger, and i have a ruger 10/22 Target model in an AR-15 stock for practice

My desire is to 1 day be able hit an 8 inch target with consistancy out to 600 yards

On to scopes..Both Nikon and Leupold offer a scope specially made for the AR-15

the nikon M-223
http://www.nikonhunting.com/riflescopes-m-223-m-223-3-12x42sf-rapid-action-turret.html

the leupod AR Riflescope
http://leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-AR-riflescopes/mark-ar-4-12x40mm-adj-obj-t2/

In case these links don't work...both scopes are all but identical in that they both have Turrets that have yardage measurements on them for drop, both have the "Dual X" type reticle I want, the price difference is not enough for concern...I can't spend any more than the $400 for the AR scope, and I assume I'll spend the same for the 10/22 scope...I don't mind buying a new Whiz-bang scope in the future, but I want to get shooting now

I'm left-handed so the biggest issue to me is:
The Nikon has the Side AO
The Lupy has the Bell AO

Mind you I'm new this...It 'seems' to me that proper shooting mechanics is to keep your firing hand on the rifle while you make any adjustments..am I off base here ? ...Is the AO / SF position that important for a lefty ?...I know in shooting some things are personal preference and some things are just plain facts.

I know all 'standard' scopes have their knobs on the Right and Top, this tells me that a right hander at the bench Would remove his firing hand to make adjustments

I've been kicking around the idea to get the Nikon Monarch 3-12x42SF for the .22 (It does have the 50 yrd Paralax...and I know I'll never use all the power) to make the training on my 10/22 as close to my AR with the
Nikon M-223 as possible

I've heard Nikon Monarchs have trouble holding Zero; also broken reticles (on Magnums Cartridges)

Thoughts ?

 

[swordsman2000]

Bump

Somene has gotta know

 

[BridgeTooFar]

I too am left handed and like to shoot rifles. In my experience, unless somebody's shooting back at you (and that's not to say I've had that experience - just the opposite, in fact), you'll have time to take your firing hand off the trigger/grip to make your adjustments.

It really comes down to personal preference. Bell adjustment vs. turret adjustment are two sides of the same coin, IMO.

In terms of one scope vs. the other, I really don't have an opinion because I've only owned one Leupold (which isn't the same model, but I've been pleased with it) and never owned a Nikon.

 

[NG VI]

What's HPR shooting?

 

[BridgeTooFar]

I presumed it meant high power rifle shooting.

 

[LC '92]

If indeed it is NRA Highpower than I assume it is F class as this is the only class that allows scopes.

With regards to the AO, for target work this is academic. You should have all your dope dialed into your scope before you come to the line. Establish them ahead of time and then write them down. I used to tape all this information to my stock so I couldn't lose it.

Doodads like mil-dots and range finding reticules are not needed either as you are shooting at known ranges and your adjustments have already been established.

With all that said, Leupold has my vote of the two. I like Nikons but would prefer the Leupold.

As an aside, I am classified as a Master in NRA Highpower and earned this with the AR-15 platform. Good luck hitting with consistently an 8" target at 600 yards with a .223.

 

[swordsman2000]

LC'92

Thank you very much for the schooling..I'll re-evaluate my goals

I just saw that Leuopold has the same scope in 6-18 power...I've heard that anything over 10-12 is going to require Alot of practice to keep steady without a rear support...I don't want to get buyers regret ya know

Thoughts ?

 

[LC '92]

Swordsman, is it indeed F class your shooting? Last time I looked rear rests were allowed if so.

Biggest problem with glass at 600 yards is mirage. The higher the magnification, the greater the mirage is enhanced. Mirage is not bad, it's critical for judging windage, but a very high power scope makes it hard to read. A good variable might be a wise choice as you can adjust it to suit the mirage conditions.

I shot F Class Palma (900 yards) using a Remington LTR in .308. I was using a straight 10X scope and it was more than adequate. Windage is the big bugaboo of long range shooting and whatever glass allows you to judge it best is what you should use.

 

[swordsman2000]

Forgive my lack of clarity..What I meant about the rear rest was if for whatever reason I didn't want to use a rear rest; was 18 power to high to steady with any practicality

your input has been very much apreciated

 

[dakotasin]

i run 20, 24, and 25x scopes w/ no rear supports... a 10x scope is just as unsteady as a 20x scope, but you see the wobble in a 20 that doesn't show up in a 10.

mirage is a bigger problem for me than holding the rifle steady.

you really won't make a bad choice if you stick to a reputable maker's mid-level or better scope.