New to me TT-33

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I just picked up (but haven't received) a Polish Radom-marked TT-33, manufactured in 1954. If the pictures were any indication, it looks excellent. I couldn't pull the trigger on the Romy versions that AIM has, even though I hear good things about them.

I've only fired something chambered for 7.62x25 once, and that was a CZ52 a few years ago. From what I read, the TT-33 recoils differently because of the mechanism and grip.

Anyone want to comment on things I should look for, safety concerns, etc?

I'll post pictures as soon as it's arrived.

jm
 
be carefull with disassembly

There is a recoil spring plug about the size button. easy to shoot across the room never to be seen again. I had a russian. import required a safety. it was terrible(the saftey). I loved the gun! I would buy a polish in a heartbeat. They look better than the russians even.

Perhaps the slimmest most powerful gun I have ever seen. Avoid cheap deals on ammo! lots of CRAP corrosive surplus stuff out there.

enjoy! i want one.
 
Still trying to find a holster, no luck. The closest sizes I can see seem to be the Colt 1908 or Browning Hi-Power . . .

jm
 
I love my Polish TT-33. When I fisrt got it the safety was really bad. It seemed obvious the spring was a tad too long and being over-compressed. I took a wire cutter and nipped off 1/2 a coil and now it works perfectly. The safety is only a trigger block and not a hammer or firing pin block so I don't carry with a round in the chamber. I thought I heard somewhere this pistol was meant to be carried with the hammer on half cock. It seems similar to a 1911 with no grip or manual safety. I guess it's actually more like the Colt 1903 in .38 auto?
 
OK, while I'm at it I'll add in the range report for the CZ-52 I picked up as a companion. I don't want to turn this into a TT-33 vs CZ-52 war (there's another thread for that).

Polish TT-33, AKA wz.48, from factory 11 circa 1954.

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Obtained directly from Dalvar Imports, and it has their engraving on the side near the hammer. Looks to be in excellent shape, although has what appears to be some pitting on the muzzle. Bluing is excellent.

I had read extensively about these but I had never handled one before. Field stripping is simple, and not too many parts to keep track of. A little tricky to get the recoil spring back in, but not terrible. It's a *solid* gun, weighty. I guess I've gotten too used to carrying a Kahr. The TT-33 does not point well at all, but I didn't find the grip uncomfortable (just unnatural). When you're aiming it, imagine you're holding a Soviet flagpole. :p

The sights are usable in daylight, probably tricky at night. The trigger, while heavy, has a clean break with little travel before or after. The import safety functions as it's supposed to (blocks trigger movement only) and is not obtrusive. Recoil was *very* tolerable. After reading so much about how zippy 7.62x25 Tok is, I was expecting to handle firecrackers today. I feel I could handle long range sessions with this gun with no problems. Feeding and ejection were flawless through approximately 100 rounds. Here's some target pictures (you can click each to get larger pictures).

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I feel I could do better with a little practice. I was a going back and forth between the TT-33 and CZ-52 (see below), and that probably threw me off. I don't have velocities from the gun because I didn't have batteries for the chronograph. POA on all the targets was the center dot.

Verdict: I *love* this gun. Now I have a companion for my M91/30 sniper (replica). I am ready for the Russian Front, comrade! :cool:

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CZ-52

I sincerely hope I got a lemon, because this gun was problematic. Please share your solutions if you have any.

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I picked this one up at the local ACE hardware store, who have a small gun selection (kudos to ACE). It's a typical military handgun; serviceable but not attractive finish. It *appeared* to be in good shape, with no rust or pitting, and it passed the decocker test on a few different objects. Grip is larger than the TT-33, but both are held similar angles if you look down the sights. There's a "lever" to release the slide, but even though it works it's much easier to grip the slide and pull back to chamber a new round. I've seen the aftermarket versions of this lever. Field stripping is different but not complicated.

This gun is heavy (all steel!), and the sights are about the same in function as the TT-33: usable but limited. The front blade is thinner than the TT-33.

It was painful to shoot. The gun tended to torque into the webbing of my hand, and the characteristics of the trigger were such that it was painful to the finger after 3-4 shots. The pull is long and gritty with no clean break. This particular gun would lock the slide back regularly on 4 out of every 8 shots, with both magazines. I'd have to pull back on the slide and release to get it to chamber another round. The cartridges were not getting jammed up; something kept locking the slide back (weak spring or rollers?). With the Yugoslavian surplus, 2 out of 16 rounds required a double strike (but half again that many rounds with the TT-33 did not). I'd heard that some of these guns shoot very high, but this one was fairly close to POA, even if the groups weren't spectacular.

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Verdict: This gun is not fun. Sure I can buy hardened rollers, and a new firing pin, a new slide release, and an aftermarket barrel. But then I've just sunk more money into a gun that still isn't as fun as the TT-33. Just my opinion, which won't buy you a cup of coffee especially here in Washington state home of Starbucks. I've heard that because of the mechanism of the CZ-52 it can be "loaded hot", but since I don't intend to do that with this caliber I'd rather shoot something else.

That's my report. Hope I didn't waste your time.

jm
 
The CZ52 cannot be safely loaded hot, despite what the books say.

The myth that the CZ52 is stronger than the Tokarev got started in 1970, became entrenched in the gun culture folklore, and did not begin to get dispelled with science and engineering until the internet exposed it in 2000.

The "CZ52 is stronger than the Tokarev" myth

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Uncle Jaque made this drawing of the thin spot that fails in the CZ52.

John Berkovitz used the RC hardness meter at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory to measure the variation in CZ52 barrels between RC25 and RC47.

I have bags of CZ52 parts from CZ52s I have blown to pieces with slight overloads. I cannot seem to blow up a Tokarev with extreme overloads.

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One of my blown up CZ52 barrels with ruler to show thin spot that fails

What does it all mean?
1) There are books like the Sierra Load book that say the CZ52 is stronger than the Tokarev.
2) The thin metal with poor metallurgy of CZ52 barrels make them weak.
3) The books are wrong and the internet is right.
 
Anyway... The TT-33 is a fantastic pistol. Grips are definitely different on the TT-33 than on the CZ-52, Thinner and slimmer than the CZ-52. The TT-33 is top heavy, so the recoil feels a little lighter. Also, watch for some hammer bite. I got "bitten" when I wasn't paying too much attention. Also remember that these "safeties" were forced to be added due to BATF regulations in order to be imported. As a result, these were probably added quickly. I wouldn't count on them, or even use them.

As for the comments about Surplus ammo, ignore them except in the case of Bulgarian ammo. That stuff's junk. If you want decent surplus, get a case or two of Romanian Surplus. I haven't had any problems with it and both TT-33s I have enjoy it as well as the CZ-52. It's not loaded overly hot and it shoots for something like 12 cents a round after shipping. That's probably the best deal going right now for surplus ammo.

Enjoy!
 
I got thousands of rounds of Polish Tokarev ammo in the early 90's when Century would deliver it to my door for 7 cents a shot. I varies between 1450 and 1550 fps, but they all go bang. The Czech ammo is all 1550 fps, but only 80% go bang.

The Boxer primed S&B ammo has reloadable brass that is slightly superior to the 7.62x25mm Tokarev brass from Starline.

I like 110 full metal jacket .308 bullets and Power Pistol Powder. There is no published data for this, but I have found it can deliver the most power in that cartridge.

If one can find a 9mm Tokarev barrel, and ream it out to 9x23mm, load with Power Pistol, 158 gr XTPs and 1.4" OAL, then the Tokarev goes to a level beyond the hottest 357 mag.
 
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