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Purchased some bullets for my 38/357. Identified as 38/357 158gr CMJ-FP. I have managed to find out what they are, but not sure of the powder load to use. I have HP38. I have checked to manuals and I am just not sure because I don't want to max out the powder and have really big problems. Any help would be good. Thanks MT
 
HP-38 (also sold as Winchester 231) will be a great starting powder for target loads in 38 Spcl or 357 Mag. You can best get up to date load information by visiting the Hodgdon powder company website, and then look for the Load Data section.

To get you more specific load information you'd need to tell us about the gun, since these bullets can be used in several caliber handguns and rifles.
 
Look to Hodgdon.com. They have a reloading section that should help you out. Start at the beginning powder charge listed for the bullet weight and type and go up from there a little at a time. do not exceed listed max load. you should have little if any problems.
Oh, and welcome to The High Road....
 
Welcome to the forum. Like said above, HP-38/W231 is a very good powder to start loading with because it's not known to spike pressures and it meters very well. It's also in the correct burn rate range for loading 38 Special ammo.

Also above, the suggestion of using the Hodgdon Load Data Site is a good one. Are the bullets you bought jacketed or plated? If they are jacketed you can use the load data on the Hodgdon site for the Hornady XTP bullet or any 158gr JHP, JSP or FMJ bullet you have data for. If they are plated you can use the data for lead bullets or middle charge weights for jacketed bullets. The OAL will probably be slightly different but that shouldn't matter since you are supposed to crimp into the supplied crimp groove. (unless they are plated which usually doesn't have a crimp groove)

Who made your bullets?
 
Hi, welcome to the forum and reloading. One more thing you might want to do is pick up a couple-few paper reloading manuals. I have several; my favorite is the Lyman 47th edition (49th is current), but the others are still valuable. Depending on where you go with this, it can also be very worthwhile to have both old and new manuals (e.g. something from the 70's).

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
 
Are the bullets you bought jacketed or plated? If they are jacketed you can use the load data on the Hodgdon site for the Hornady XTP bullet or any 158gr JHP, JSP or FMJ bullet you have data for.

I found that CMJ-FP means Complete Metal Jacket - Flat Point, which I believe means the base is not exposed lead as it would be for "FMJ".

Frontier CMJ bullets
 
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38 Special

Speer #12 lists 231 as 4.0 grains for 792 fps and 4.4 grains for 878 fps with a 6" barrel. This is for 158 grain lead SWC, HP and RN. Speer #12 is my favorite manual it seems to be very conservative. I load 148 grain BBWC and HBWC for my dad using their data and its really nice loads. You really should get yourself a library started.
 
Desert Dragon;
Good advice has been given...the best, imo is flrst to obtain a good reloading manual...what brand really doesn't matter. They are all good. :) Then follow its recommendations.

My brother-in-law and I settled on what we call "hot .38
Special" or "mild magnum" loads, me for my model 19, and him for his Blackhawk.

When I shot IPSIC, my standard load was 5.5gr. Unique, 357 brass, standard prlmer, 150-162 gr cast SWC, medium crimp, which gave 860 fps chronogrphed from my 4' barrel. Didn't make major, but, if I shot well enough, no handicap. The only problem was it rarely wouldn't knock down the poppers.

Nowadays, I have settled on loads that approximate the famed "Miami-Dade County", "RCMP", or" FBI" loads, which have approximately the velocity of 38 special +P loads...950-1000fps. This can be achieved (Don't have a chronograph), by ~ 5.2 gr Hodgdon Universal,(Not fave, but I am miserly, and won't throw it away! ;) 5.9 gr. Unique, or 10.5 gr. 2400, for all my shooting, which includes 125-135gr. SJHP or plated, up through cast or swaged 150-158-162gr bullets, which all provide acceptable accuracy, enjoyable shooting, and reasonable velocity.

I have always liked 4756 powder, but I quit using it about Speer Manual #10, when they warned about fluctuations in pressure. Now, I find that some fellows have been using it in loads, with good velocity and no excess pressures. I ran out of another of my favorite cast bullet powders, Blue Dot, about the time they published their warning , and just never bought any more, although the latest data seems to have addressed the problem. I may give it another go.

Anyhow, read your manual, pick a powder, shoot it. You don't like, get another. That's the fun of our frustrating and fascinating pastime. ENJOY!
 
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Thanks for the information

Thanks for all the response from my question: Sure has fixed my current frustration.
I found the web site. The bullet is made in South Africa, it is (lead) and is completely incased (they use electroplating). The web site indicated to treat it like a (FMJ). I do have two manuals ( Hornady handbook and a Lyman 49th Edition. Since the web site indicated to treat it like a FMJ, I found it under, (Hornady, 158gr. Fp XTP. Powder: Win 231, (3.7 gr. 600 fps). Also with Unique (3.9 gr. 600 fps). The max load being (4.9 gr. & 5.1 gr.)
New to hand loading I will stick with the min loads. Aslo the paper that came with the dies I purchased indicated 158 gr XTP, ( HP 38 at 3.8 grains to start). By the way I will be using this as target loads 38 special shooting a Wiley Clap – 38/357 4” barrel. I purchased a lee turret press and the carbide dies for this too. I have been a shooter for a long time, I am now retired and I wanted to do this as a hobby, besides riding my (Honda 1800 Gold Wing). Thanks again for the information.
 
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