New Winchester M70 FWT - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

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I just bought a new USRAC (Winchester) Model 70 Featherweight in 6.5X55, and though I have not yet had a chance to fire it, there are some features that are new (to me, at least) that deserve mention. I've attached some pics.

The Good:
There are some very interesting changes. First, the "bottom metal" (the trigger guard, floorplate, and all) is one-piece. This is a massive change about which I knew nothing. It should translate into a stiffer, more accurate rifle, and it certainly is prettier when I open the floorplate. This was apparently previously available on the Supergrade, but this is the utilitarian Featherweight. Next, the screws holding in the bottom metal are no longer slot screws, but are hex. (I wish they were torx, but when I screw 'em up, they will be.)

Also, the bedding material has changed. Since 1984, the same semi-stiff yellow thermoplastic glop has served as the recoil lug bedding. It's now black and supports not just the lug, but also the tang of the action. It appears to me to be a solid plastic piece put in place and then melted. (No pic of the lug portion, as it has a serial number on it - sorry.) They feel more solid than the previous material seemed to me to be.

Though it may not be new, the trigger is very precise, with no apparent creep or overtravel. (See also. "The Bad.")

The barrel is now free-floated, with no "hump" at the end of the fore-end channel. The channel itself is nicely-finished and appears sealed against mositure that would cause warpage. (See also "The Bad.") A dollar bill will make it from the tip all the way to the receiver.

Edited to add: the recoil pad is unevenly applied, with gaps and overlaps. Clearly, it was pre-made for a certain size and had no final finishing after being attached.

The Bad:
The aforementioned trigger is a little harder to adjust than previously. It's still the same excellent design, but the adjustment range allowed me only to bring it down to 4.5 - 5 pounds pull. If the rifle shoots well, I'll have to decide whether to have a gunsmith install a lighter weight "trigger return spring," something I don't feel capable of doing.

The barrel is decidely off-center in the channel. It appears that this fault was discovered at the factory and the channel was routered out on the left side (picture doesn't show this well). There's a gap on the right side of the barrel and the wood on the left is significantly thinner. Had I not ordered the rifle and committed to purchasing it, I would not have bought this rifle off the rack.

The Ugly:
What can I say? I like the action, the trigger, and the balance, but the stock, with its schnabel tip and fleur-d'lis checkering pattern look just plain silly to me.

Pics, if I can post them. In subsequent posts if I cannot. Tang bedding, first:

Jaywalker

Edited to change from "I wish they were hex," which makes no sense, to "I wish they were torx."
 

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The M70 Fwt. is one of the best rifles going!

The ugly? No optional iron sights for those who want them.

Lone Star
 
Off-center barrel, but it's hard to see from the pic:
 

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And, finally, the beast herself:
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That last pic didn't show for me, so I'll attach the beast:
 

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First, the "bottom metal" (the trigger guard, floorplate, and all) is one-piece.

Dang. Mine is two piece. I knew I should've waited a year and a half. :)
I need to get the new bottom metal for my gun. Is it inletted differently than the two piece setup?

My barrel channel was offcenter and touching the barrel as well. When I floated the barrel, I fixed it a bit, but not completely.

but the stock, with its schnabel tip and fleur-d'lis checkering pattern look just plain silly to me.

That's what I liked about the gun. It's refreshingly different than the other rifles I see.

Chris
 
Chris,
We can try it and see. I don't know how it relates, since I sold the M70 LT as something heavier than I wanted to carry through the Virginia hillsides. Did yours have the yellow thermoplasic glop or this new black melted-solid approach?

Lone Star,
There's enough metal in the barrel to make adding open sights a real possibility, and I do like the idea of them as a backup. I've been looking at New England Custom Gun for some really high quality sights, but I want to see if I can make the thing shoot before I add any money to the project.

If it does shoot, I suspect getting rid of the stock will be my first move. That won't be because it's funny-looking (which it is), but because of the off-center barrel and poor recoil pad installation. That sloppiness will just eat on me until I don't like the rifle anymore.

Jaywalker
 
Jay, nice writeup. I've got a Compact, which is a FW with a shorter stock and shorter barrel. (The barrel is the same contour as the FW.) Mine came with the pressure-bedded forend tip and I removed it. I'm probably going to rebuild it using Acraglass, though, because accuracy is really not what it should be. (Mine is .243, fwiw.) You can try using business cards as shims to see which way your rifle shoots better. (Nice choice of caliber, btw.)

The one-piece bottom metal is available from the factory as a part, although you have to open up the inletting a little. I bought one of those and am going to install that. I don't think that the forward TG screw does much to help accuracy on these rifles, so I'm hoping that getting rid of it will eliminate the pressure on the center of the action, which isn't terribly well supported by the stock, and increase accuracy.

I really like the M70 Classics. This one doesn't shoot as well as my 700s do out of the box, but it is worth investing some time to get it there. Hope you enjoy yours!
 
Here is my Win 70 compact classic in 7mm-08 and it is a great rifle
Mine shoot inside of MOA with my handloads. I did no modification of the gun and even with factory loads it shoots 1.5 MOA

because it is fairly light weight I went with a Leupold Compact scope 3x9 but should have gone with a 2x7.

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First of all, thanks for the write up and pics.

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There's enough metal in the barrel to make adding open sights a real possibility, and I do like the idea of them as a backup.
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Fionn MacCumhaill, my pre-64 Model 70 wears a peep sight snuggled under the ocular lens of the scope. I'd recommend that approach -- it gives you unbeatable irons when you need them.

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If it does shoot, I suspect getting rid of the stock will be my first move. That won't be because it's funny-looking (which it is), but because of the off-center barrel and poor recoil pad installation. That sloppiness will just eat on me until I don't like the rifle anymore.
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The story is the first Winchester disaster was caused by bringing in consultants in the early '60s. These Einstiens asked, "What's your mission?"

The Winchester people replied, "To make the best possible guns for the American shooter."

And the consultants said, "No. It's to make the WORST guns the American people will buy."

I suggest we help Winchester not make that mistake again by NOT buying guns that have flaws, and writing USRA and telling them why.
 
Vern Humphrey:
Fionn MacCumhaill, my pre-64 Model 70 wears a peep sight snuggled under the ocular lens of the scope. I'd recommend that approach -- it gives you unbeatable irons when you need them.
I like that idea, but I wouldn't have thought a peep would fit or have an attachment point. Can you post a pic?

Have you named your rifle?

Jaywalker
 
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