New York State AWB

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NY state still has a state level of the federal 1994 so called "Assault weapons ban". My question is, is there any hope of repealing this? Sooner preferably then later. Only a few other states still have a similar law in place so what happened? When the federal ban expired did the other states just let it go or did some keep their own version of the law and then have it repealed later after 2004. Is there any precedent for repealing a state AWB after the federal one expired? Is there still hope for NY, because I'm stuck here at least till I go to college (not a huge fan of the nanny state).
 
Sad New Yorker Here...

It's not just the voters. There are plenty of hunters and shooters in New York State, they just don't seem to speak up. NY's 2A advocacy organizations seem to be sclerotic and not very assertive.
We have NYSRPA, but when I emailed them asking whether they were going to push to at least have the hi-cap mag ban repealed, I got a not very nice reply back stating that hi-cap mags weren't illegal, and could I help them out with a donation?
When Gov. Cuomo, who is at least intelligent and fiscally responsible took office, I wrote him a physical letter on nice stationery paper right around the time of his inauguration.
I listed my objections to the microstamping bill and the current gun control regime, and received in reply a letter restating NY's policies and why they're so great.
Dammit, we need to borrow AZCDL, OFCC or the VCDL and shake things up here!
 
It's not just the voters. There are plenty of hunters and shooters in New York State, they just don't seem to speak up. NY's 2A advocacy organizations seem to be sclerotic and not very assertive.
We have NYSRPA, but when I emailed them asking whether they were going to push to at least have the hi-cap mag ban repealed, I got a not very nice reply back stating that hi-cap mags weren't illegal, and could I help them out with a donation?
When Gov. Cuomo, who is at least intelligent and fiscally responsible took office, I wrote him a physical letter on nice stationery paper right around the time of his inauguration.
I listed my objections to the microstamping bill and the current gun control regime, and received in reply a letter restating NY's policies and why they're so great.
Dammit, we need to borrow AZCDL, OFCC or the VCDL and shake things up here!
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Could I get a copy of that letter by any chance?
 
CA's AWBs will be struck down before NY's AWB.

CA has better organized and motivated pro-gun groups that are begining to get traction challenging CA's anti-gun laws in the court system, then any of the other states (HI, MA, MD, NJ, NY) with horrible anti-gun laws.
 
Go get em.... Nobody's rights are safe so long as some states get away with it. Ohio is slow to adopt for good and bad...but we do seem to follow the nation; also for good or bad. If allowed to stand long enough I fear Ohio could be like CA, NY or IL. I believe States like Texas, Arizona, Montana, Vermont, etc. have done us all Giant favors in the last 5 years.
 
Also is it possible the Chicago supreme court case could have any bearing on this?
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I think Heller II would have more of a bearing on it, since it directly addresses the ownership of semi-automatic rifles, which are completely banned in Washington, DC. The case is pending before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals; oral arguments were almost a year ago.
 
I think you could get portions of it repealed; at least the magazine capacity restrictions. Cite CT as an example then work from there to get the rest of it repealed.
 
Which letter? My outbound letter to Gov. Cuomo, or his reply?
I have my note on file (which I'd be happy to share), but I have no idea where I put his response.
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I'd be happy to see either, thanks.
 
mortablunt said:
I'd be happy to see either, thanks.
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As requested... My outbound letter to Governor Cuomo.
Too busy to look for his response, but I'll post a scan (or transcribe) if I stumble across it.

Dear Governor Cuomo,


New York State burdens legal firearms owners and enthusiasts with some of the most complex and cumbersome restrictions of any State.

It my understanding that you are interested in further restricting our rights with measures such as microstamping of shell casings and registration of long runs, neither of which are effectual crime-fighting tools.

I hope you are aware that violent crime rates are generally dropping around the country, even as many states refused to enact so called “assault weapon bans” and in addition have relaxed their Concealed Carry rules.

Countries such as Australia and England have seen violent crime actually rise after massive firearm registration and confiscations have been put into effect, because the “bad guys” know their victims will comply with the law, and disarm.

Please do not sign any bills that make firearm ownership and enjoyment any more difficult than it already is.


Sincerely,

parsimonious_instead
 
I am the resident of a Buffalo, New York suburb and I resent the fact that my State manipulates the portion of the Constitution that was created to keep offenders, both foreign and domestic, in check.

Call me out if I'm wrong, but I do not believe that a common, stereotypical person with mal intent will use a bayonet lug or adjustable stock to their fullest extent nor could either provide a significant advantage in the way he or she would typically use the weapon.

I am a mere 26 year-old CPA and I would not know where to even start in order to make a motion for repealing the assault weapon ban, but I would gladly make my mark and do everything in my power to help the cause.
 
Hej Valera!

How do you start? with your local assemblyman. Your local assemblyman does not see the light, work to elect someone else (even yourself if necessary) that will support your position.

Political action is not just sending emails and writing letters, it is being active, support those that agree with your position. Run yourself if that is necessary, talk to people, esecially politically connected people.

Remember, most of the signers of of the Declaration of independence and the first congresses were farmers and businessmen, not lawyers and politicians.
 
New York State makes it quite a hassle to purchase firearms, this reduces the number of firearm owners enormously.
The average casual citizen sees the red tape and does not become a gun owner. This is even more true of handguns. Hunters and those that really want a firearm are more likely to go through the additional steps to purchase than the casual consumer.


The result is a smaller base of gun owners, and a base that is less powerful.
You see similar situations in much of Europe, and even Canada with more wilderness left than the USA, or Australia with about the population of the State of California on the entire continent, both of the last two having the traits that should otherwise make them even more pro-gun than the USA with lots of wilderness and low population density.
Once the government makes it challenging to become a gun owner support for firearms falls further because fewer people are exposed to firearms and they remain foreign and scary.
Ironically banning guns causes the population to support the ban on guns after enough years have passed. Well New York does not have quite a ban, but its enough to greatly reduce the level of legal firearm ownership, especially in New York City.
 
Zoogster, although I'm not at all happy with NYS gun laws, I have to say this: other than the AWB, longarm ownership isn't that bad. Outside of NYC, no permits needed to own them, just pass a standard NICS check. And we can still do private party transfers of rifles and shotguns. New York's AWB is pretty strict, but the wording on the magazines is oddly vague, and is supposedly unenforceable, unless the mags are actually stamped, "LE/Military only."
 
Apologies in advance for my cynicism ...

I've been working behind the scenes for years, writing to assemblymen and NYS senators about our firearms policies. My most recent proposal has been a 1-year moratorium on registration of unregistered handguns, that is, a handgun that you's like to register but can't because you do not have a receipt or certificate of origin. For example, the German Luger that's been in your family for years, or an old .22 pistol that your uncle gave you 30 years ago. It seems to me that if registration for the purpose of crime prevention and detection is their goal, they'd want to have as many handguns registered as possible, regardless of origin. This is a win/win for all involved: I'd like to be able to legally bring my unregistered Luger to a public range, or even sell it if I so desire; the State would have yet another number for their database. (No, I don't like it, but the law's the law.)

My proposals, as reasonable as they are, have always fallen on deaf ears. I'll get a polite and patronizing phone call from an "assistant" to the legislator, or a boilerplate letter thanking me for my input---but never a cogent reply. Last night I helped my 5-year old grandson compose a letter to Santa Claus and had a strange feeling of deja vu, the difference being his letter will likely produce results.

It is said that cynics are made, not born.
 
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