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News: New assault on citizens' rights in US

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Zedicus, Oct 16, 2006.

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  1. Zedicus

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    http://www.mrt.com.mk/en//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1297&Itemid=26

    Emphasis Added

    How does this have anything to do with Guns?

    Take This part for Example

    and imagine what a Rabidly Anti-2A Administration could do to Gun owners with it...:fire:
     
  2. bouis

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    Macedonian Radio & Television?
     
  3. gc70

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    Stange, but I can't find anything dealing with US citizens in the Military Commissions Act.
     
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  4. Eleven Mike

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    This was my favorite part:
    I just don't understand what it means.
     
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    I agree. I myself despise (sp?) Bush, but thats just my opinion. I think he will go down as the worst president in history.


    Well, if you guys are white, and conservative, then you're safe. Its the minority races that will be targeted.
     
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    just wait, no one is safe. Give an inch... lose a mile... or more
     
  8. Zedicus

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    DerringerUser, as is so often the case, I must ask - what in the world are you talking about? :scrutiny:
     
  11. Eleven Mike

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    Wow, really?
     
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    You're right, I'll be safe. My girlfriend however, will be targetted. :mad:

    What Derringeruser is saying is: Most anti gun laws are aimed at minorities. This bill, while not specifically gun-related, will likely be aimed at minorities also.
     
  13. Eleven Mike

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    Those of you worried about a racial angle should get out more. The less we focus on race, the closer we will come to the day that it no longer matters. I don't know if that day will actually come, but I think we can get closer.
     
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    What about this?

    Sec. 950fff. Wrongfully aiding the enemy

    `Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.


    Since it would be highly unlikely for a foreigner to have "an allegience or duty to the United States", who the heck do you think they are talking about here?
     
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    Funny that people are suprised about this. I dont know how many posts I've read on this board where people advocate the profiling of Arabs could they might possibly be potential terrorists. Stuff like this passes because people want it.. Sad :(
     
  16. Historic Arms LLC

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    Consider the situation of.....

    This law could be used or "abused" in this manner:

    An individual embarrasses a Law enforment agency for severe incompitence, and then the individual documents the following cover up and threats and intimidation.....It is found later that the information provided by the individual has the power to put into question thousands of convictions.

    Is that individual going to be considered a "biligierent" under that law?

    Will this new power be used by ATF to pound on some of us?

    I am concerned about any "re-inturpretation" by ATF management being used to inflict unsanctioned punishment on any individual, as the ATF HAS with other laws in the past to myself.

    Just a thought....


    Len
     
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    When do we feed the hogs? I think the time is getting close.

    Its things like this that make me doubt we will exist as a FREE nation for much longer. 20 years? 30 years? or even 10 years?
     
  18. Eleven Mike

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    4t5, did you miss this part?
    Who's subject to the chapter?



    So, law enforcement should just leave out an important part of a profile (race), so that minorities will not be "targeted"? That is what is known as "political correctness run amok."




    Historic Arms, why would a law against aiding terrorists be used to target whistle-blowers? If they're willing to stretch things that far, they could just as easily slap you with anything else.
     
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    If a crime has been comitted and the cops have a profile/description of a possible suspect then it makes sense to focus on the race of the people who meet that description. If no crime has been committed, then the cops shouldnt target people on the basis of race.

    It's interesting how people never seem to care about rights when it's other people who are being violated.
     
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    It's interesting how people throw out vague accusations to muddy the waters. Proper profiling (including race if necessary), properly done, violates no one's rights. If it did, I wouldn't support it.
     
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    Gotta agree 100%. What do the "Shoe Bomber", the "Unabomer", and the "Alfred P. Murrah Building bomber" all have in common? If the only people that come under scrutiny are those of obvious Arab descent, we're leaving out a vast majority of potential criminals and terrorists.
     
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    I guess I'm confused. I thought treason was already outlined in the Constitution, and didn't include a military tribunal. Are they referring to Americans caught on a foreign battlefield? Need more specifics.
     
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    I would imagine that means military personel or a sworn ally.

    Then again, almost all public school students are forced to "Pledge allegiance to the flag. . ." once a day for 13 years. . .


    What bothers me most about this whole thing is that no one is focusing on the word co-belligerents. What a great word! Did they just make that up?

     
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    Yes, I think they have a television. It's a 1982 Zenith with a coathanger antenna, kept in the capital. :D
     
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    True, if we ONLY focus on those who fit a profile.

    I don't think that's true anymore.
     
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