Doggy Daddy
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That's "High-Road"? I've never been called a "gun thug" by an anti. Never expected to be called that here.
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Newspaper Establishes Registered Gun Database, Equates Gun Owners to Sex Offenders
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That's "High-Road"? I've never been called a "gun thug" by an anti. Never expected to be called that here.
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Carl N. Brown
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When I learned about it, I typed my name into the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper website and got back my city and ZIP code. Until "emotional gun thugs" raised cain about it, the newspaper returned the street address as well.
My sister used a pistol and chased off a home invader and detained his accomplice at gun point. Both men are now in prison thanks to her. She has moved. When they get out, it sure would be nice for those guys if they could use one of the public access computers at the public library, type in her name at a newspaper data base, and find out if she has a carry permit and if so, what her new address is. This is one "gun thug" who gets "emotional" about private information being put out.
Norvall Morris and Gordon Hawkins in "The Honest Politician's Guide to Crime Control" 1970 proposed banning guns and suspending the "probable cause" test under the 4th Amendment for search and siezure, declaring there can be no right to privacy if the subject is armament.
Personal information should be subject to a "need to know" test. Since what I really need to know is who has an illegal gun and is carrying without a permit, I don't need to know the names and addresses of legal gun permit holders.
My sister used a pistol and chased off a home invader and detained his accomplice at gun point. Both men are now in prison thanks to her. She has moved. When they get out, it sure would be nice for those guys if they could use one of the public access computers at the public library, type in her name at a newspaper data base, and find out if she has a carry permit and if so, what her new address is. This is one "gun thug" who gets "emotional" about private information being put out.
Norvall Morris and Gordon Hawkins in "The Honest Politician's Guide to Crime Control" 1970 proposed banning guns and suspending the "probable cause" test under the 4th Amendment for search and siezure, declaring there can be no right to privacy if the subject is armament.
Personal information should be subject to a "need to know" test. Since what I really need to know is who has an illegal gun and is carrying without a permit, I don't need to know the names and addresses of legal gun permit holders.
Doggy Daddy
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Work on your reading comprehension skills. I didn't call you an "anti". In fact, I assume you're not one.
My point that you missed was that you've called me worse than I'd expect an anti to call me.
DD
My point that you missed was that you've called me worse than I'd expect an anti to call me.
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Deanimator
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Well, I see that AHSA has outed itself in THIS discussion now.
No surprise there.
Deanimator
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No problem. Let ME call him an anti. You may assume that he's not an anti, but I assume no such thing. AHSA keeps coming back here trying to coax us onto the boxcars, claiming that we'll only be "resettled to the east". They keep failing.
When you see "gun thugs", you know BEYOND DOUBT that you're dealing with an anti. If he claims NOT to be an anti, he's AHSA.
Officers'Wife
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Name calling to prove a point? Please define your terms, who or what -exactly- is an emotional gun thug? Which persons active here fall into the category and what criteria allows you to pigeon hole these persons into that category. Please be specific and present evidence.
Part of the argument of those that wish to see firearms taken out of the public sector is the ease of the criminal element can obtain firearms. With the Brady checks this has been narrowed to three (3) methods; home manufacture (which is very rare), straw purchase/private sale and theft. By advertising the location of sidearms the news becomes an enabler in the last.
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Carl N. Brown
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Given that may be 2 to 5 percent of legitimate handgun owners get carry permits, and hardly any illegal handgun owners get carry permits, the point of singling out carry permit holders is supposed to be exactly what? You not only have zero chance of finding out if someone is an illegal gun owner, you will have a 1 in 20 or less chance of finding out if they are a legal handgun owner.
The reader comments by gun haters at the Commercial Appeal website were basically on the line that they wanted to know if their neighbor owned a gun so they would know who to shun. There are employers and landlords who have indicated a willingness to discriminate against gun owners, oh, excuse me "gun thugs". What I consider "gun thugs"-- illegal gun owners with criminal intent -- won't show up on a search of permit holders.
I guess when ordinary gun owners get the power to run police background checks on other citizens (the "gunshow loophole" is that someone selling or trading a used gun cannot run background checks unless they are FFL licensed dealers), privacy won't be an issue for anyone.
The first person I knew in Tennessee who got a pistol permit was the wife of a co-worker; she was doctor and wanted a gun in her purse when she had to walk through the parking garage late a night after work. The idea that someone needs to know if she has a permit and were she lives strikes me as intrusive.
The reader comments by gun haters at the Commercial Appeal website were basically on the line that they wanted to know if their neighbor owned a gun so they would know who to shun. There are employers and landlords who have indicated a willingness to discriminate against gun owners, oh, excuse me "gun thugs". What I consider "gun thugs"-- illegal gun owners with criminal intent -- won't show up on a search of permit holders.
I guess when ordinary gun owners get the power to run police background checks on other citizens (the "gunshow loophole" is that someone selling or trading a used gun cannot run background checks unless they are FFL licensed dealers), privacy won't be an issue for anyone.
The first person I knew in Tennessee who got a pistol permit was the wife of a co-worker; she was doctor and wanted a gun in her purse when she had to walk through the parking garage late a night after work. The idea that someone needs to know if she has a permit and were she lives strikes me as intrusive.
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Deanimator
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The SOLE intent is to intimidate her into NOT being able to defend herself effectively. The proponents of this sort of intimidation consider it VASTLY preferable that that woman be beaten, raped and murdered than that she should be able to effectively defend herself. If you read the opinions of such "people" you will find a level of misogyny of a kind with the pronouncements of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
HoosierQ
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Ironically, Bloomington Indiana, were I've spent a lot of time, is right in the heart of some of the most gun friendly territory in the country. Bloomington, because of Indiana University, is a tiny island of academic liberalism in the midst of deer hunting, fur trapping, quarry working, timber harvesting working class rural America. They are just trying to increase their far-left bone fides just because of that.
gatorjames85
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Confirmation of where I thought this poster was coming from the whole time.
I guess I should be added to the "emotional gun thug" category as well.
c919
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Emotional gun thugs huh?
You really like to shake the tree don't you?
At least we aren't emotional airsoft thugs. Those are the worst....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=492845
You really like to shake the tree don't you?
At least we aren't emotional airsoft thugs. Those are the worst....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=492845
Carl N. Brown
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Convicted criminals are increasingly getting their records expunged in Tennessee, in part since under the current economy, employers are getting picky about who they hire and are running background checks on job applicants.
Of course, the Associated Press newspaper service in its annual criticism of the gun lobby questioned the NRA blocking the right of employers to ask applicants if they owned guns. And (some) newspapers feel that the public needs to be forewarned about who has a legal pistol permit.
The way it's going, ex-convicts are going to be a protected class, and gun owners will be the new untermenschen.
Of course, the very people who want amnesty for convicted cop killer Muma Abu Jamal are the politically correct sort who would approve Wacoizing your compound under Ruby Ridge Rules of engagement over a rumor that you owned a box of bullets called "cop killers".
Don't mind me, I'm just grumpy because I have to out in the snow on an errand .
Of course, the Associated Press newspaper service in its annual criticism of the gun lobby questioned the NRA blocking the right of employers to ask applicants if they owned guns. And (some) newspapers feel that the public needs to be forewarned about who has a legal pistol permit.
The way it's going, ex-convicts are going to be a protected class, and gun owners will be the new untermenschen.
Of course, the very people who want amnesty for convicted cop killer Muma Abu Jamal are the politically correct sort who would approve Wacoizing your compound under Ruby Ridge Rules of engagement over a rumor that you owned a box of bullets called "cop killers".
Don't mind me, I'm just grumpy because I have to out in the snow on an errand .
9MMare
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It may have been suggested already, but how about just running an ad in competing papers or other media/the Web indicating neighborhoods with few or no guns and addressing it to criminals?
While I'm kidding, something like this might show people that they can be exposed as vulnerable. (It's more to show the general public both sides of the issue in more personal terms)
While I'm kidding, something like this might show people that they can be exposed as vulnerable. (It's more to show the general public both sides of the issue in more personal terms)
9MMare
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Um, one thing I've learned reading THR....I'm the only person in America that owns *only one gun*
9MMare
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Is the media ever held responsible when people attack the sex offenders that are listed?
If so, I've never heard of it.
The general public usually considers these listings as a 'public service' and it really bugs me that they might consider lists of gun owners the same way
9MMare
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Are you serious?
I realize that the original post is about any gun ownership, but you are mostly referring to CC permit holders.
What part of 'concealed' dont you understand????
Why on Earth is this the general publics' business? What about women who escape abusive relationships and apply? Now the ex can go see if she's capable of defending herself. Now a disgruntled employee can go see if the boss is packin'. Prospective jewelry store robbers can see which employees are armed. Etc.
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9MMare
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Even more relevant, what if a prospective (anti-gun) employer wants to see if an applicant owns guns?
It is indeed his right to make that choice for his business, but if that "personal" info isnt available, then it's tougher to use it in hiring decisions.
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Sorry for so many posts. I've read the entire thread now and it gave me quite a bit of food for thought.
It is indeed his right to make that choice for his business, but if that "personal" info isnt available, then it's tougher to use it in hiring decisions.
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Sorry for so many posts. I've read the entire thread now and it gave me quite a bit of food for thought.
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Doggy Daddy
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No, no, no. That's okay. You're filling up space left by slowrnus, who seems to have disappeared almost a week ago.
Plus, your posts are logical.
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