Next duty assignment will most likely be Lackland AFB TX

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I just found out that I will most likely be assigned to lackland AFB, TX upon my return to good ol' US of A.

I already know that TX offers free CCW permits to Active Duty Military. (Which is awesome) But what I want to know is if they accept military training as a competency course like many other states do.

Being a firearms instructor that does this stuff everyday for my actual job, I really don't want to waste my time and money having to go through a DPS course.

Any input???
 
My condolences on your new assignment.

But seriously, you might run into a problem with carrying regularly unless you live off-base. They might let you slide on the profeceny part, but not the classroom part. You wouldn't want to skip the legal instuction anyway, it's the most important part of the class.
 
You only spend about 30 minutes to 1 hour on the actual shooting portion of the Texas CHL course. The rest is legal info regarding the rules of concealed carry in the state of Texas and rules regarding the use of deadly force in Texas. I realize you already know how to handle a gun, but the legal info IS important.
 
I haven't decided if I like the idea of being assigned there yet. I know they don't allow CCW on base, but I also know that you can transport unloaded firearms to and from your residence. So here is what I am thinking:

#1 unload firearm
#2 drive out of gate
#3 stop and load firearm and holster

when returning to base the opposite.

I hate the idea of messing around with it that much, but you do what you have to do sometimes.

I realize that the legal stuff is most important, and I was going to see if I could just get a course in the laws.
 
But what I want to know is if they accept military training as a competency course like many other states do.
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No, you must take the full Texas course, both classroom and range as well as complete the course of fire mandated by the Legislature since there is no equivalent DD form.

As for San Antonio, welcome to one of the circles of hell (Lackland) :)
 
I don't know how much you'll enjoy Lackland, but as far as San Antonio goes, I haven't found anything wrong with it.
 
I just found out that I will most likely be assigned to lackland AFB, TX upon my return to good ol' US of A.
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Can't help on the DPS stuff but having spent considerable time in San Antone, courtesy of Uncle Sam and my own travels ,I think you'll get to like the area.
A little warmish in the summmer(+100)but a lot to do and a fine downtown with Riverwalk,the Hemisphere,Alamo and more.
Gun friendly enough ,although the usual bureaucrats are in City Hall.
My brother lives in Corpus, not that far away.Great fishing and Padre Island beaches.
You will like this assignment!:)Trust me.
 


TO for basic trainees at Lackland?

This covers the portion of Texas law regarding military and firearms qualifications.

Texas Government Code

§ 411.1881. EXEMPTION FROM INSTRUCTION FOR CERTAIN
PERSONS. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this
subchapter, a person may not be required to complete the range
instruction portion of a handgun proficiency course to obtain or
renew a concealed handgun license issued under this subchapter if
the person:
(1) is currently serving in or is honorably discharged
from:
(A) the army, navy, air force, coast guard, or
marine corps of the United States or an auxiliary service or reserve
unit of one of those branches of the armed forces; or
(B) the state military forces, as defined by
Section 431.001; and
(2) has, within the five years preceding the date of
the person's application for an original or renewed license, as
applicable, completed a course of training in handgun proficiency
or familiarization as part of the person's service with the armed
forces or state military forces.
(b) The director by rule shall adopt a procedure by which a
license holder who is exempt under Subsection (a) from the range
instruction portion of the handgun proficiency requirement may
submit a form demonstrating the license holder's qualification for
an exemption under that subsection. The form must provide
sufficient information to allow the department to verify whether
the license holder qualifies for the exemption.
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(b) The director by rule shall adopt a procedure by which a
license holder who is exempt under Subsection (a) from the range
instruction portion of the handgun proficiency requirement may
submit a form demonstrating the license holder's qualification for
an exemption under that subsection. The form must provide
sufficient information to allow the department to verify whether
the license holder qualifies for the exemption.
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And where does this procedure exist? I've heard that there is no clear procedure and the DD forms have not been considered detailed enough like they would be in Florida and Texas DPS never developed this described form.

Don't know this from personal experience but I've read about several folks hitting a wall there.
 


A phone call to DPS in Austin will answer that. May just be a DF from his last range qual stating whether he was a Marksman, Sharpshooter or Expert or what ever the AF calls 'em.
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A phone call to DPS in Austin will answer that. May just be a DF from his last range qual stating whether he was a Marksman, Sharpshooter or Expert or what ever the AF calls 'em.
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I hope so. I've heard no good stories...
 
......But what I want to know is if they accept military training as a competency course like many other states do.....
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Yes, they accept your 9mm qual, can't remember what the form number is. Still gotta do the class which runs something like eight hours but does have a lot of good legal info.
 
As others said, you have to do the classroom, but you can submit your 522 for the range portion. Try and find a CHL instructor familiar with the process (my guy was active E-7) and it'll be no big deal.
 
Are you going to be assigned to the Medina Annex range or the SF unit at Lackland? Just curious. I was SF and had I stayed in, was going to do CATM...our armorers always had a fun slash cushy job :)
 
Enjoy San Antonio. I just PCSed out of Randolph, so I don't know the Lackland side of town too well, but its a fun city overall. I also don't know much about the TX CHL course since I have a Florida permit and haven't had a reason to get a TX one yet. I might pick one up when I get back to Texas.
 
Think of Texas as California with great gun laws. You'll have all the conveniences and attractions of major metropolitan areas, as well as access to things unique to Texas. You'll only be about an hour from Austin, so you're close to the music capital of Texas as well as Texas wine country. Texas is supposed to succeed California as one of the best producers of domestic wines. You're also not very far from the Gulf of Mexico, so you can go to the beach.

Oh yeah, you're also in a state with some of the best CCW laws in the country.
 
It's interesting how many folks want to get out of the shooting (qualifying if you will) portion of the class. You are there for at least 8 hours of classroom reading and discussion and shooting is by far the most fun part! Don't think of it as proving your competence but a chance to get the blood flowing back into your legs!

Prince Yamato: Cannot....resist....Austin...ribbing of....local gub'mint

You'll only be about an hour from Austin, so you're close to the music capital of Texas as well as Texas whine country. Texas is supposed to succeed California as one of the best producers of domestic whines.
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*sigh*...Rokyudai has a point, it's definately "whine" country! Useless fact: Travis County (Austin) - only Texas county to vote dumbocrat in 04' election

:) Now back to your regular scheduled topic...
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. Sounds like I'll go ahead and skip the range portion if it is cheaper to do so. If not, what the heck, I'll shoot the course.
 
Oh, And BTW

Lackland (at least when I was there) is real close to San Antonio.

I do believe they have some funny ordinances regarding knives with locking blades.

You might want to add that to your list of regulations to research.
 
Be grateful.. Last time AFPC sent me anything, I ended up in Gunny Hell... AKA the Bay Area Peoples Republic of California..

I would saw off a couple of Toes for orders anywhere in Texas..

San Antonio has the best of everything, plus only a couple of hours drive to most anything else you'd want to do. I had a GF that lived in Austin a few years back, even it is livable.

I'd be pretty happy if I were you..
 
Combat,

You are already going to have a sizeable discount for the actual CHL fee (can be waived or reduced according to Texas State Penal Code 411.1951), then likely a discount on the instruction course itself as I believe most instructors offer discounts as well (and good on them for it).

The course of fire for most proficiency CHL courses would be similar to this:

To qualify for a Texas Concealed Handgun License, you will be required to score 175 points, out of a possible 250. The course of fire is made up of 50 rounds fired as follows: 3 yards - 20 rounds; 7 yards - 20 rounds; 15 yards - 10 rounds.

I'll send you a PM with some info.
 


Combat is currently active and under Texas law, the CHL is a freebie. Only cost will be training and postage for the packet.

Texas Government Code


§ 411.1951. WAIVER OR REDUCTION OF FEES FOR MEMBERS OR
VETERANS OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) In this section,
"veteran" means a person who:
(1) has served in:
(A) the army, navy, air force, coast guard, or
marine corps of the United States;
(B) the state military forces as defined by
Section 431.001; or
(C) an auxiliary service of one of those branches
of the armed forces; and
(2) has been honorably discharged from the branch of
the service in which the person served.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter,
the department shall waive any fee required for the issuance of an
original, duplicate, modified, or renewed license under this
subchapter if the applicant for the license is:
(1) a member of the United States armed forces,
including a member of the reserves, national guard, or state guard;
or
(2) a veteran who, within 365 days preceding the date
of the application, was honorably discharged from the branch of
service in which the person served.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter,
the department shall reduce by 50 percent any fee required for the
issuance of an original, duplicate, modified, or renewed license
under this subchapter if the applicant for the license is a veteran
who, more than 365 days preceding the date of the application, was
honorably discharged from the branch of the service in which the
person served.
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San Antonio is a great city, and I have lived in/visited several.

As someone hinted at, San Antonio has the wackiest city ordinance I have ever heard of.

Knives that have lock-open folding blades are illegal to carry in San Antonio.

This means that a little swiss army knife that folds out but doesnt lock is legal, and so is a fixed blade knife (under 5 inches or whatever the state law is).

But any of your standard liner locking, lockback, Axis lock what-have-you are gonna be a no-go.

Rumor has it that you will be fine %99 percent of the time, and cops use it as a way to take suspicious people to jail for the day, or to tag on another month or few hundred $ to someone who is already getting collared for somthing else.

I dont risk it though.
 
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