NFA Title 2 items.

[nyrifleman]

Hey all,

There I go with the polls again... I wanted to test the waters within the pro-gun community regarding NFA Title 2 items. I'd like to see many of the NFA restrictions repealed, but I've heard from quite a few gun owners that "nobody needs a machine-gun" or "machine-guns are too dangerous", That sounds to me as ignorant as typical anti statements like "nobody needs an assault weapon" or "assault weapons are too dangerous" :banghead:

But enough preaching, I would like to see what some of the most active pro-RKBAers think about this issue.

This poll's pretty open-ended even though I tried to craft the options carefully, so please post in the thread if your own response doesn't fit under the options.

 

[mio]

i probably dont know enough about the laws to do the poll but ill always give you my opinion lol.

sbr and sbs--if i want to put a stock on a glock or cut my shotty below 18" for home defense thats my business.

registration for full auto and suppressors? ok but get rid of the 86 law so we can import full autos and make them more affordable to everybody. and to explain before i get hammered by some of you, its not that i think registration will stop a criminal from obtaining a weapon as much as it makes a person who possesses it legally more cautious when selling it. it makes face to face sales stay legit. like our pistol registration here in mi...i dont think its right i have to register it however i dont dare sell to someone who doesnt have a purchase permit.

as far as DDs--if a person can handle that 28ga judge if seen pics of let them have it in fact id like to try it myself.

aows--dont know that abbreviation

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Gun laws are pointless.

 

[northark147]

Unless I mis read you left out one important option.. Remove all restrictions so they may be purchased just like any other firearm... That is the option that would get my vote.. Anyone with a little intelligence and a little research can make something fully auto, so as it stands a criminal can pretty easily acquire something that I as a law abiding citizen can't afford, or in some cases get my hands on at all.

 

[Mike1234567]

As the old geezer said in the movie 'Legends of the Fall', "SCROO 'EM!!". I voted for ridding ourselves of all regulation.

 

[theotherwaldo]

This is something that should not be regulated at the federal level.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Concealable firearms--SBR, SBS, and AOW--firearms shorter than 26", rifled barrel shorter than 16", smoothbore barrel shorter than 18"--should be treated the same as handguns.

 

[TJ AK-74]

Unless I mis read you left out one important option.. Remove all restrictions so they may be purchased just like any other firearm... That is the option that would get my vote.

That would be my vote as well, but since that option wasn't available, I simply selected each option for removal of registration and of course the ban on new MG's for civilians. The poll does allow you to vote for more than 1 option.

 

[hirundo82]

I'd love to see the whole thing gone, but it isn't going to happen due to public ignorance/fear.

I think the best we could realistically hope for is:
1) Repeal the Hughes Amendment (prohibiting registration of post-'86 machine guns)
2) Repeal the SBR restrictions, and perhaps the SBS restrictions (I say this because the arbitrary distinction between handgun and SBR makes no sense whatsoever, while there is no Title 1 analogue to a SBS)
3) Treat silencers as Title 1 firearms

 

[nyrifleman]

Unless I mis read you left out one important option.. Remove all restrictions so they may be purchased just like any other firearm... That is the option that would get my vote..

Well, that's why I made it a multiple choice poll: if you vote for all of the "Get rid of registration and tax stamps on..." options, that's what it'll amount to, a complete repeal of the NFA. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

 

[nyrifleman]

I'd love to see the whole thing gone, but it isn't going to happen due to public ignorance/fear.

I think the best we could realistically hope for is:
1) Repeal the Hughes Amendment (prohibiting registration of post-'86 machine guns)
2) Repeal the SBR restrictions, and perhaps the SBS restrictions (I say this because the arbitrary distinction between handgun and SBR makes no sense whatsoever, while there is no Title 1 analogue to a SBS)
3) Treat silencers as Title 1 firearms

Rome wasn't built in a day, and the NFA isn't going to get torn down in a day either.

There's a reason I did this poll. I would like, with the help of the online RKBA community, to work in this direction. You know: petitions, letters to representatives, letters to the NRA and other gun rights organizations to show that there is interest in repealing the NFA. I just first wanted to get an idea of how much support there would be for something like this. It would not work if we were split even 50-50 on this issue. But for now, it looks like very strong support for the idea, so I'm going to slowly work on preparing phase 2.

 

[rjrivero]

Concealable firearms--SBR, SBS, and AOW--firearms shorter than 26", rifled barrel shorter than 16", smoothbore barrel shorter than 18"--should be treated the same as handguns.

Damn skippy!

 

[MachIVshooter]

Strike the entire NFA. It's wholly unconstitutional.

 

[OARNGESI]

i never understood sbrs i can buy a ak or ar pistol but if i put a stock on it its illegal its stupid

 

[mortablunt]

I think that the only registry and special regulation should go into MG's. I want us to be able to buy new MG's whether they are made in America or not. The rest of the act ought to be struck down. I also want to see the whole idea of "sporting purposes" expunged from the legal terminology.

 

[TexasRifleman]

The whole thing is pointless but if I were given ONE change I would remove suppressors from NFA entirely. They are safety devices, not firearms.

It is like the DOT requiring a tax and background check to put a muffler on your car.

Probably the dumbest of all dumb gun laws.

 

[CraigC]

Definitely remove restrictions from suppressors. At the very least treat them like firearms but without the $200 stamp and six month wait.

Definitely allow new full autos but I'm a little leery of them being sold like any other firearm.

 

[northark147]

I think that the only registry and special regulation should go into MG's.

And why should we even have to register those...

 

[MachIVshooter]

i never understood sbrs i can buy a ak or ar pistol but if i put a stock on it its illegal its stupid

The original NFA text restriced everything shorter than 26". Handguns were struck from the list last-minute, but SBR/SBS language remained. It's stupid, but that's how it worked out.

Too, remember that in those days, there were not such guns as Draco's, AR Pistols, PLR-16's, etc; The pinnacol of handgun performance was the .45 ACP. .357 Magnum didn't even exist for another year.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I think basically everything title 2 should be made title 1 with the possible exception of things like high explosive destructive devices (hand grenades, etc.) I'm not against people owning them, I just would like a thorough background check on them.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Oh also, I'm sick of this "sporting purposes" import crap. I want to buy a brand new, milled Norinco Type 56 with happy switch from China.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

CZ makes a interesting rifle that reminds you of the SCAR but we can't get that either.

 

[paintballdude902]

misread my choice.... i thought it said none of the laws are perfect...... it says non, the laws are perfect....

i chose number 2 and 3

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Concealable firearms--SBR, SBS, and AOW--firearms shorter than 26", rifled barrel shorter than 16", smoothbore barrel shorter than 18"--should be treated the same as handguns.

And that's why we have those restrictions. They removed handguns from the NFA, but forgot to take out the sections dealing with shortened rifles & shotguns.

 

[Justin]

There's what I'd like to see (removal of the NFA entirely) and what is practically possible.

From a practicality standpoint, it strikes me as likely that as the market for suppressors and SBR/SBS guns continues to grow, it may give rise to a movement with enough clout to reform those parts of the NFA.

I doubt we'd ever see the repeal of the machine gun cap or registration of full-auto guns.