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If these same men were as rabidly active politically as they were into football, we may have had seen some serious changes already to our nation.

It is boggling to think about isn't it?

The NFL generated $9,000,000,000 of revenue this year.
Imagine what a PAC or lobby group that had 10% per annum of that could accomplish. :what:


As a comparison of revenue:
NFL: $9,000,000,000.
NRA: $230,000,000.
 
I wish I could say I do or would watch sports just for the chance to honestly withdraw my patronage from them.

Best I can do is to plead with others to turn off the faux masculine pacifier and let it collapse under its own absurdity.

Just because someone does not enjoy a particular activity does not mean that activity does not offer anything of substance to others. We aren't watching the gladiators of olde. Many find the nuances and strategy of watching pro games as well as the pure athleticism as entertainment away from the trials and tribulations of everyday life. It's an escape for 3 hours or 6 hours or however long we wish to watch it. Obviously millions upon millions of others feel the same and quite a few of them are also gun lovers like we are.

Just because someone (or some company) doesn't wear their pro-gun attitude on their sleeves does not mean they are anti-gun. Believe it or not, there are millions of people who are not anti-gun but are not pro-gun either. It is a topic that does not interest them and they don't wish to see any of our rights stripped away no matter what number it is.

I don't get those who feel their right to carry supercedes an individual's or company's right to not allow carry on their property, for whatever reason. You exercise your rights whenever you can, wherever you can but let someone else exercise their right to say "no" and you're all bent out of shape. Your rights do not trump the rights of others.

Many companies and people feel that guns, alcohol and testosterone do not mix. Everyone here who says "BS!" is probably a very responsible person who would never be on the news for doing something stupid with that mixture. However, the sad fact is not everyone is as mature or responsible as we are. These people are the ones at the range who force you to leave because they are unsafe yet if you ask them, they are very safe and responsible. This is the 1% that is splattered all over the news and makes all of us look like thugs and zealots because we like guns.

If it was up to me, alcohol would not be served at any sporting event. When you pack 60,000 to 100,000 people into such a small area and you pour copious amounts of alcohol into their bodies, it is a recipe for trouble. I haven't been to a sporting event since 1988. I find the traffic, parking, drunk morons and tight quarters, lack of bathrooms and the cost of food and tickets too much trouble to enjoy it. I prefer to sit at home, with friends or family, and enjoy the beauty of the sport without the cost and bother of going to the game.

To say I'll never watch another sporting game because you can't carry into a stadium is cutting off my nose to spite my face. The NFL or MLB or whatever is not the government trying to take away what is rightfully ours. It is a private entity doing what they think is best for the interest of their guests. Right or wrong, they have the same rights as you do and we need to respect all rights, not just the ones we find convenient.
 
Not necessarily kill, but control. Though in modern US America the social constructs of professional sports are mostly concerned with conflict substitution and pacification.





EBT and Professional Sports=Panem et circenses.





I've always attributed the surprising lack of politicization of US American sports to the relatively mono-polar nature of our political landscape where a maintenance of the status quo is the most desired social effect*.





Anyway, the use of sports as a tool of socio-political control is hardly a conspiracy theory if it has been openly done for thousands of years across most civilized cultures.





The history of the Olympics, both ancient and modern, is particularity fascinating if you are interested in how "sport" and politics intermesh.








*If I was a Kingfish type Populist politician, I'd buy myself a winning NASCAR team and run it under the livery of my political faction.






You bring up good points, but look at where sports start, with children. My biggest gripe with modern professional sports is that it is getting away from the benefits it historically teaches.



Sports provide benefits to society by teaching teamwork, respect, and hard work. When I played high school football we learned those things. Society has turned sports into more than that, and money is to blame more than the government
 
Finally a post I can agree with. I just like football and it's never even occurred to me read into it some vast government conspiracy in which I'm being controlled and pacified. I enjoy playing and watching sports!

Well said, Larry.
 
Just because someone does not enjoy a particular activity does not mean that activity does not offer anything of substance to others.
Oh, certainly true. Substance, or the perception of substance.

As Sam Cade said, panem et circenses, there is a LOT of benefit in this to some.

We aren't watching the gladiators of olde.
No reason not to be. Except for neutering ("nerfing" I think is the new term) combat and actual life-and-death struggle our species seems to use as a tool for advancement and development (as well as destruction, obviously) it is illegitimate to say that our modern gladiators are anything but the same dance in a different tutu.

Many find the nuances and strategy of watching pro games as well as the pure athleticism as entertainment away from the trials and tribulations of everyday life. It's an escape for 3 hours or 6 hours or however long we wish to watch it.
You've got it! Panem et circenses.

Obviously millions upon millions of others feel the same and quite a few of them are also gun lovers like we are.
Well, sure. Many like Twinkies, and broadcast TV, and Justin Bieber, and Bud Lite -- are we supposed to applaud that?

Just because someone (or some company) doesn't wear their pro-gun attitude on their sleeves does not mean they are anti-gun. Believe it or not, there are millions of people who are not anti-gun but are not pro-gun either.
Surely, but we actively desire that our message be presented to them in a positive light (just as their messages of diet soda, or Dodge cars, or cheap car insurance, or whatever else might be presented in this time slot) are presented to US, though we have no especial interest or desire to hear about them.

It is a topic that does not interest them and they don't wish to see any of our rights stripped away no matter what number it is.
Ah ha! But the equal likelihood is that the topic does not interest them and they'd just as soon our rights WERE stripped away because then they can feel better about "doing something" regarding the dangers of society. Presenting our own interests in a positive and very public light helps dislodge that negative-leaning ennui among the masses glued to the electronic coliseum.

I don't get those who feel their right to carry supercedes an individual's or company's right to not allow carry on their property, for whatever reason. You exercise your rights whenever you can, wherever you can but let someone else exercise their right to say "no" and you're all bent out of shape. Your rights do not trump the rights of others.
This is a long and somewhat complex debate involving subjects like transfer of responsibility in exchange for compliance with policies, and the question of whether a property right exists to dictate what someone possesses in private not disclosed, and in the end, sometimes one RIGHT simply does supercede some other "right."

To say I'll never watch another sporting game because you can't carry into a stadium is cutting off my nose to spite my face.
Actually, that's not what was said. What was said was that this is an instance of the NFL not allowing a pro-gun message to be paid for and displayed on the air during its events. It really wasn't about carrying at the stadium.

Though, that's a good enough reason.

The NFL or MLB or whatever is not the government trying to take away what is rightfully ours. It is a private entity doing what they think is best for the interest of their guests.
Again, you missed the point here. Not about carrying at the stadium, but about a decision to block a pro-gun advertising message.

Right or wrong, they have the same rights as you do
Wait, the entity that is the NFL has the same RIGHTS that I do? Really? Think about that for a moment. :scrutiny:

and we need to respect all rights, not just the ones we find convenient.
There's RIGHTS and there's "rights." The "rights" are starting to outnumber the RIGHTS these days by an alarming margin. And sometimes, RIGHTS and "rights" conflict. Sometimes even RIGHTS and RIGHTS conflict.
 
Made a post earlier today I kept it brief due to I hate trying to type anything more than a sentence or two on my phone now I am at my computer.

I am a football fan I played the sport for 12 years of my life. I also like guns enough to frequently check and post on this site. I believe wholeheartedly that any private entity that bans guns on their property should take steps to ensure that people don't ignore said ban. The NFL does this. But even if they did not I still have not seen a single person explain how they are going to safely defend themselves with a gun inside a stadium with over 60,000 fans.

But that was the red herring the OP was mostly about the NFL's refusal to air a commercial by Daniel Defense. I would like to see them say screw the antis as much as anyone and play it. Unfortunately that is just not realistic. The NFL just does not want to alienate half their fanbase by advertising "evil black rifles". I don't expect them to let most companies that sell controversial (as misguided as the controversy is) products to advertise. I hope to see a day in my lifetime where that kind of commercial would not be a PR nightmare.
 
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To say I'll never watch another sporting game because you can't carry into a stadium is cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Actually, that's not what was said. What was said was that this is an instance of the NFL not allowing a pro-gun message to be paid for and displayed on the air during its events. It really wasn't about carrying at the stadium.

Though, that's a good enough reason.

Even though this thread took many side trips, let's address this.
Do we know how many spots are available and how many requests there were for these finite number of spots? Let's assume that there were more apps than spots. Who gets chosen? I would assume it's the ones who support them throughout the year first... the ones that are there for every game until the Super Bpwl.

Then assume the remaining spots are then given to the ones that appeal to the largest target audience. Even though the gun community is large and strong, I'd bet that the ads they choose appeal to more than the DD ad would. We may not feel that way but some number cruncher sitting in a small office, somewhere, probably feels that GoDaddy will reach more people than DD. Now, it's been said that the ad was refused because it is on a "prohibited list of advertisers" but do we know this as fact or has this come about from the paranoia that drives any special interest group? If there is such a list (and I'm sure there is) I seriously doubt that it would become public knowlege that any ad was not approved because it fell on this list because it would open up the NFL to lawsuits from the groups that were jobbed for no real reason.

In this litigious society, I cannot accept that any ad like this was "banned" for the reason of being on a black list because it was about the gun community. That would open a can of worms I doubt the NFL would care to deal with.
 
Professional sports are deeply involved in politics. Here is a 2012 article from Forbes about how much money goes into politics:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenh...pay-careful-attention-to-professional-sports/

Not our issue but a big political issue:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/amandal...rts-do-more-than-politics-to-save-the-planet/

The government has been used professional sports to manipulate public opinion for years:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/5...re-not-strange-bedfellows-they-are-old-lovers

Professional sports are too big and too powerful an influence on people for the government not to use it to sway public opinion. It's simply another medium they can use to get the antigun message out there.
 
Politics/government is all about control, I think we can all agree on that.

To that end, yes...every means will be used, to some extent or other. But the NFL audience is probably not really any different than any other audience, and there are a great many stereotypical "gun nuts" lumped in with football fans.

Everything is a balance of something for/against something else. I'm not too much worried about the NFL choosing not to air a particular ad, as opposed to, say, deliberately airing a polarized ad on the subject of guns and gun control.


I don't see them posting ads for abortion. Does this mean they support killing unborn children?

I don't see them posting ads about abused women. Does this mean they support wife beating?

They chose NOT to air an add for Daniel Defense. Does this mean they support disarmament of citizens?


Or perhaps, like Starbucks, they simply don't want people to politically polarize the NFL over the issue of gun control?


Heaven help us that we can't simply enjoy watching a game of football with all those silly and funny beer commercials and new movie release trailers we so look forward to.
 
If I'm correct some states prohibit carry at sporting events, Floridas law is any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms .

TX is the same..

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
 
It wouldn't really bother me that they won't run the ad if it was for the reason I initially thought it might have been. I understand from a marketing standpoint, you probably wouldn't want to run pro gun or anti gun ads....as in "not taking sides". You might not want to lose customers. I also don't have any issues with companies that do take sides...that's their right also.

What I do have a problem with how they categorize the items they won't advertise - distilled spirits, flavored malt beverages, tobacco, guns, and contraceptives. Interesting how guns found their way into the same category as impairing and addictive drugs and sex items. It's almost like saying guns are a vice. It's also hilarious how they won't show ads for booze or flavored malt beverages but yet they get the majority of their ad money from beer.
 
Why wouldn't professional sports support/buy special interests that affect their product? They generate Billions of dollars of sales and profits. They are no different than any large organization, including our NRA, that wants to buy their votes with "contributions". Now, if we have proof that they are funding MAIG ads, Brady ads, etc., then we can discuss other options. That would not sit well with me because they are taking a stand in something that does not affect their product. They would cross a line into politics that they should not cross.

That being said:

In analyzing campaign contributions to federal candidates, parties and outside groups during the election cycles over the last decade, total campaign contributions come in at $26,845,943 with money split slightly in favor of Republican candidates (54%) compared to Democrats (46%). Noticeable spikes are seen during Presidential election years, with contributions growing 514% over the last 5 presidential election cycles (1992-2008). At the current growth rate, campaign contributions by the sports industry are expected to reach roughly $9,108,306 during the 2012 election year.

...they may also be helping our cause while helping their own causes. Let's not be too quick to judge the pro sports. We have enough people trying to take what's ours without trying to including groups that are watching their own pockets.
 
i've been a fairly avid steelers fan since the 70s, but that ended before the season with their support for obamacare. their anti 2A stance is just further reassurance that i made the right choice.

i still love competition and particularly team competitions. football has a depth and complexity that most other sports can only dream of. i'll miss it
 
taliv said:
i've been a fairly avid steelers fan since the 70s, but that ended before the season with their support for obamacare. their anti 2A stance is just further reassurance that i made the right choice.

i still love competition and particularly team competitions. football has a depth and complexity that most other sports can only dream of. i'll miss it
You can't just enjoy the sport for its own sake? I love football and baseball and have always let those sports stand on their own merits, as games. There's always something swirling around pro sports, steroid scandals, "bounty gate," gambling, etc, but none of those things affect the games themselves because they transcend those outside events. I just don't understand this attitude of stopping something you enjoy because of the team's stance on a particular issue. You've followed the Steelers since the '70's and can drop it because of their support of Obamacare? The team's stance has nothing to do with the game as it's played on the field. Like someone else said, that's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just my opinion.

When I fell in love with baseball as a kid, I sure as hell didn't give a crap about politics, I didn't know what they were, I just loved baseball, playing it and watching it. Nothing's changed. Bob Costas opens his pie hole and spews his ignorant liberal tripe? I don't care. I don't associate what he does with the sport itself. I don't believe the government is using him and his association with football as some nefarious vehicle to influence my mind and sway my stance on gun rights.
 
Two things to remember John:

1) Whether by your attendance fees or your TV-watching, you patronize these organizations by watching. That means you SUPPORT them. You give something worth while to PAY them to continue their activities. Some of those activities may be hurting something you (do? SHOULD?) care about more than vicarious entertainments. Of course the activities on the field aren't about guns or gun control. They are the bait that gets your money (or your ratings draw, vis-a-vis advertisements) flowing to those media companies.

The deer would say, "Can't I just enjoy the corn in this pile as FOOD? There's always bullets and arrows heading this way, but none of those things affect the CORN itself because I'm hungry and this is easy pickings."

2) As you're watching a mass-media event you are being fed attitudes and impressions and influences. There is no such thing as being a completely unaffected observer -- though the main business of those who use entertainment to mold society is in making the pressure discrete and undetectable, so you aren't SUPPOSED to see it happening.

You may say, "I don't care, I just LOVE football, so I have to watch it." But you should be honest with yourself in that watching someone else play a game with a ball is truly more important to you than the social issues we come here to discuss.
 
You can't just enjoy the sport for its own sake?

if Rooney wants to spend his money on Democrats that's his business, but when he turns the team/franchise into a bully pulpit, when HE makes it an issue, then how can I NOT respond?

same with actors. if they want to give their money to anti-gunners, fine, but when they use their fame as a mouthpiece, i won't pay to see their movies anymore
 
Well, I honestly don't watch all that much sports anyway. Heck, the only reason I watch the Super Bowl is because I love the commercials and I'm with family.

But if I were to give up watching sports for every thing I disagreed with, I certainly wouldn't watch ANY. Players being arrested for violent crimes? Then being accepted back in the game afterwards? Gambling? Individual or team support for any number of controvertial subjects? Cheating on spouses? Sexual assault charges on coaches?

The list goes on.

If I find myself getting bent out of shape about such matters, I take a look at my son when he watches the Clemson Tigers and the SC Gamecocks play...it's all about the game to him. Well, specifically, it's all about him supporting Clemson in contrast to Mommy and Grandmama supporting the Gamecocks.

:)
 
C'mon Sam, of course a game with a ball is more important than social issues I believe in. If it was, I wouldn't frequent this site or be involved as I am in political issues. You're not allowing for much gray area with that comment.

And I don't have to watch football, I do because I enjoy the sport, as I mentioned above. You say that by paying for tickets and concessions I support the ownership's views on any issues they choose to voice public opinions about. Fine. I just don't see it as some grand scheme, a plot in which the game is used as "bait to get my money." Like most other conspiracies, the people who are alleged to have perpetrated them are rarely smart enough or competent enough to actually pull them off. I kind of feel the same way about the owners of franchises, or the leagues themselves (witness the incompetent boob otherwise know as Bud Selig). Like I said, the sports have survived for a century or more in spite of the scandals an idiots who run the games.
 
Not necessarily kill, but control. Though in modern US America the social constructs of professional sports are mostly concerned with conflict substitution and pacification.

I've always attributed the surprising lack of politicization of US American sports to the relatively mono-polar nature of our political landscape where a maintenance of the status quo is the most desired social effect*.

Sam Cade, can you clarify here? I understand some of what you are trying to say, but not all of it. Thanks.
 
just read this article on yahoo about the NFLs anti-gun stance.. really, i couldnt care less if they allow them into games or not, especially with the excessive consumption of alcohol, but banning commercial ads really is pushing an agenda.. i was already getting pretty tired of bad referees that half-ass their job because theyre protected by their union... tired of the constant union bickering that seems to happen every year.. i guess this was all i needed to finally give up on the sport of football

my only statement to goodell and the NFL owners would be that before they decide to dictate whats acceptable and whats not to the american people, maybe they should actually pay some taxes, because what taxes theyre not paying, we're paying for them.. big LMAO at "non profit organization"

so i guess i need a new sport to watch.. unfortunately no local MLS teams to root for, does baseball ban such advertisements too?
 
taliv said:
if Rooney wants to spend his money on Democrats that's his business, but when he turns the team/franchise into a bully pulpit, when HE makes it an issue, then how can I NOT respond?

same with actors. if they want to give their money to anti-gunners, fine, but when they use their fame as a mouthpiece, i won't pay to see their movies anymore
Because Rooney is not the sport, which was my only point. I'm not going to let someone like him or his ilk spoil my fun. Owners and players come and go, but the game itself remains. I feel the same way about Sean Penn. Despise his politics, but the guy can act. You do what you gotta do I guess.
 
The deer would say, "Can't I just enjoy the corn in this pile as FOOD? There's always bullets and arrows heading this way, but none of those things affect the CORN itself because I'm hungry and this is easy pickings."

That is a great analogy. I like it.

When a company puts its money in a controversial place, it's taking the risk that some people might not want to buy their product anymore. With good reason. Why would I want to give money to a company that donates some of the money that I gave them to an Anti-2A group? Sure their product might taste great but guess what? Other things do too and I can find something else to buy that doesn't use the money I spent against me. I won't have to look long and hard...there's lots of variety in almost everything out there. The government does enough of that as it is with my tax dollars. I don't need other organizations doing it with the rest of the money I spend. You reap what you sew.

We're not in the position where we can fool around. The line in the sand has been drawn.
 
And about this whole banning the ad thing, the NFL is a private entity. If they choose not to air a commercial, for whatever reason, that is their prerogative. It's not "banning" the commercial. As a private business, they get to choose what they do and do not want aired during their broadcasts.
 
Because Rooney is not the sport, which was my only point. I'm not going to let someone like him or his ilk spoil my fun. Owners and players come and go, but the game itself remains. I feel the same way about Sean Penn. Despise his politics, but the guy can act. You do what you gotta do I guess.

So where do you draw the line? Would you buy the album of a Nazi band because you like the music? Would you shop at a store that gave money to organizations that support Al Queda just because they have good deals? At some point you have to stop and think where your money is going. Sure it might be a drop in a bucket....but some buckets are less disgusting than others. We shouldn't have to analyze every last cent that we spend because it would just never end....but some things are much more obvious than others.

What the NFL did wasn't bad enough for me to stop watching entirely although I'm not happy about it. There are far worse offenders out there. If they continue down this road any further I will stop watching. I could never sit through a Sean Penn movie these days. He sucks so bad as a person that I cannot get past it when he's acting. All I see is a jerk.
 
as a consumer, i can choose to no longer support or buy a product i disagree with.. therefor call it whatever you want but as long as the NFL supports this course of action i wont be attending or watching another game, nor will i buy any of their products.. thats my choice as a private entity
 
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