NJ and Guns (Visit)

[Mousegun]

I used to live in N.J. and it is amazing how many people simply don't understand how restrictive it is. Most don't know the difference and not getting caught is the only thing keeping them going. Not that they are intentionally breaking the laws of that state, but they just don't know how many there are that block day to day functions.

For instance, coming back from my towns pistol range, if I took a route that was longer than the shortest distance between the range and home, I would be breaking the law and if I stopped at Seven Come Eleven for a container of milk or loaf of bread, off to jail I could go.

I don't see the laws of N.J. EVER changing even though there are active groups that are constantly trying. It just seems to be getting worse.

 

[statelineblues]

I agree with the other posts here - leave the gun at home.

If you want more info, go here:
http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-firearm.shtml
(Official NJ State Police site)

Just remember, the local cop who pulls you over is NOT a NJ Firearms law expert; you will be arrested and it is up to you to prove your innocence.

Also, if you go to NJ often, and want to get a Permit, you might consider this (yes, out-of-state residents can apply for an FOID card and/or a carry permit):

If you reside in New Jersey, you must apply with municipal police department where reside. If the municipality where you reside is serviced by the New Jersey State Police, you must apply at the station which covers your municipality. Out of state residents must apply to the New Jersey State Police station nearest to their geographic location. Armored car employees must apply with the New Jersey State Police, regardless of where they reside.

New Jersey does not have laws which allow individuals with valid permits to carry a handguns from other states to carry a handgun in New Jersey.

(FAQ from the same website).

I spent 18 years in NJ working for an Armored Transport company, and was their Firearms Instructor for ten of those years. Believe me NJ firearms laws exist to make owning a firearm as difficult as possible.

 

[Midwest]

I agree with the other posts here - leave the gun at home.

If you want more info, go here:
http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-firearm.shtml
(Official NJ State Police site)

Just remember, the local cop who pulls you over is NOT a NJ Firearms law expert; you will be arrested and it is up to you to prove your innocence.

Also, if you go to NJ often, and want to get a Permit, you might consider this (yes, out-of-state residents can apply for an FOID card and/or a carry permit):
(FAQ from the same website).

I spent 18 years in NJ working for an Armored Transport company, and was their Firearms Instructor for ten of those years. Believe me NJ firearms laws exist to make owning a firearm as difficult as possible.

Sure it is possible to get a carry permit as an armed guard, but if you are not an armed guard. Forget it.

An ordinary law abiding resident could try getting a carry permit in New Jersey, but when they will be denied, it goes on their record that they were denied.

http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/34723-has-anyone-actually-applied-for-a-nj-ccw/


If you were denied a carry permit in New Jersey and wanted to go to another state and get a carry permit there, you could also get denied.

It's not so cut and dry. In MA - prior rejection for a CCW or Firearms license CAN be seen as grounds for denial by police chiefs. It is definitely a question on the licensing process up here.

My suggestion to anyone thinking of applying, don't bother. You're just wasting everyones time. If you are really serious about a NJ CCW permit, perhaps you should consider a large campaign contribution to your favorite county freeholder. Something in excess of $10,000 would probably do the trick.

It does not help any cause to just flood the police depts and courts with requests for NJ carry permits. Most, if not all, will be denied for lack of justifiable need. Many other states carry permit forms require disclosing any prior denials for carry permits (who wants to check yes to that and have to explain?).

I actually tried to apply, but the detective wouldn't even give me the paper work. He said he was not going to waste his time and the judges time. I asked again and he looked at me, gave me a smirk and a small grunt and told me to have a nice day. I created a post on this on what happen that day. Its ridiculous.

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[pa350z]

You are not legal. As an NC or out of state resident and you take a firearm into NJ and get caught... you are now a FELON. Do not take the firearm with you.

 

[galapoola]

If you have a NJ FPID you can travel anywhere anytime for any reason with an unloaded long gun. That restriction only applies to handguns. I live in NJ

 

[steelerdude99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fC2iu3CTPc

This humorous 10 minute YouTube video sums up NJ gun laws. It's a few years old (uploaded in Fall of 2011), yet is still valid. I know nothing there that has changed. Perhaps one of those who chimed in from NJ could validate the claims of just how backwards NJ is when it comes to guns.

One thing that was not even mentioned in the video is that NJ considers BB guns (such as a Daisey or Crossman or .. ) a firearm. As such their gun laws apply to them just the same as it would if it were a center-fire (or rim-fire) cartridge firearm.

chuck

 

[F-111 John]

One thing that was not even mentioned in the video is that NJ considers BB guns (such as a Daisy or Crossman or .. ) a firearm. As such their gun laws apply to them just the same as it would if it were a center-fire (or rim-fire) cartridge firearm.

Until recently, my home state of Michigan treated any BB pistol capable of firing pellets to be a firearm handgun and required a Handgun Purchase Permit from the local police department.

 

[v35]

Perhaps one of those who chimed in from NJ could validate the claims of just how backwards NJ is when it comes to guns.

Used to live there. Can confirm. The video is entertainingly produced, but it is factually accurate.

Quoting from the Pennsylvania Constitution:

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Quoting from the New Jersey Constitution:

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...

On a somewhat more serious note, I wonder how it can be that a state can effectively usurp a right specifically guaranteed (not granted, but guaranteed) by the US Constitution. Strictly speaking, NJ residents have not been absolutely prohibited from having firearms, but they have effectively been denied that right by untenable regulations and the capricious nature of the State granting permission to armed self-defense.

I'm no legal scholar, but lacking even the most trivial reason to deny someone the right to a firearm - such as a felony conviction, mental illness etc - how does the state justify the effective taking of a fundamental human right? Does that not constitute a "taking" contrary to the provisions of the Constitution, for which appropriate compensation must be given? And what compensation is appropriate for denying the right of self-defense? Rhetorical questions, I know.

 

[MaterDei]

Why in the world would anybody in NJ know that you had a firearm unless you were

1) Unwise, and tell people there that you had a weapon, or
2) Unfortunate enough to have to use the weapon to defend your life. Not a very likely event at all, but the reason we all carry. No?

I won't advocate you breaking the law but based upon the items I listed above it should be pretty clear what I would consider if I needed to travel to jersey.

 

[Praxidike]

Why in the world would anybody in NJ know that you had a firearm unless you were

1) Unwise, and tell people there that you had a weapon, or
2) Unfortunate enough to have to use the weapon to defend your life. Not a very likely event at all, but the reason we all carry. No?

I won't advocate you breaking the law but based upon the items I listed above it should be pretty clear what I would consider if I needed to travel to jersey.

The fact that he/you would have a CPP (which NC or TX may have shared with NJ police), and/or the fact that he/you would have out of state plates makes that a bad idea. It always seems like a good idea until you get caught. If I truly thought that visiting NJ was a choice between life or death or a minatory prison term locked in a cell with 23 hours a day with real criminals along with the lost of firearms for life thereafter, I'll simple just not go to New Jersey...

 

[grampajack]

The laws there are so confusing I wouldn't risk it. Best wishes to your friend.

 

[grampajack]

Why in the world would anybody in NJ know that you had a firearm unless you were

1) Unwise, and tell people there that you had a weapon, or
2) Unfortunate enough to have to use the weapon to defend your life. Not a very likely event at all, but the reason we all carry. No?

I won't advocate you breaking the law but based upon the items I listed above it should be pretty clear what I would consider if I needed to travel to jersey.

Out of state CCW permits do show up on squad car computers. I read about a recent case where a guy in Maryland was pulled over and the cop already knew he had a CCW from running his plates. He didn't have his pistol, but he was detained nevertheless, and the cop searched his car, interrogated his wife and children, and even threatened to arrest them and put their kids with CPS if they didn't tell him where the gun was hidden. Not saying this will happen to you, but you're a sitting duck in NJ with out of state tags, and if you do get pulled over with a gun it's not going to end well.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Why in the world would anybody in NJ know that you had a firearm unless you were...

I guess you don't understand the difference between getting away with committing a crime and doing things legally. When one commits a crime he is betting his freedom, future and fortune on not getting caught. But one can't necessarily count on not getting caught. Prisons are full of people who didn't think they'd get caught.

At THR, and especially in the Legal Forum, it is never acceptable to in any way hint that it might be okay to commit a crime hoping to get away with it. Here we try to make sure that people understand what the law is and how it work so that they understand how to conduct themselves in ways that don't violate the law.

Out of state CCW permits do show up on squad car computers. I read about a recent case where a guy in Maryland was pulled over and the cop already knew he had a CCW from running his plates....

Where and when did you read this? Provide a link or a citation.

People claim that they read or heard a lot of things. Such claims are worthless without documentation to back them up.

 

[Praxidike]

I guess you don't understand the difference between getting away with committing a crime and doing things legally. When one commits a crime he is betting his freedom, future and fortune on not getting caught. But one can't necessarily count on not getting caught. Prisons are full of people who didn't think they'd get caught.

At THR, and especially in the Legal Forum, it is never acceptable to in any way hint that it might be okay to commit a crime hoping to get away with it. Here we try to make sure that people understand what the law is and how it work so that they understand how to conduct themselves in ways that don't violate the law.

Where and when did you read this? Provide a link or a citation.

People claim that they read or heard a lot of things. Such claims are worthless without documentation to back them up.

A year ago this New Year’s Eve, John Filippidis of Florida was driving south with his family on Interstate 95 when the Maryland Transportation Authority Police pulled over his black Ford Expedition and proceeded to raid it while his twins, wife and daughter looked on — separated in the back seats of different police cruisers.

The officers were searching for Mr. Filippidis‘ Florida-licensed, palm-size Kel-Tec .38 semi-automatic handgun, which he left at home locked in his safe. (Maryland does not recognize handgun permits issued by other states.)

When the search turned up nothing, Mr. Filippidis, 51, was allowed to go and was issued only a speeding warning.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/?page=all

Virginia is one of the states that shares CCP holder's information with other states too according to VCDL. We tried to get that changed this year, but the governor vetoed it.

SB948 Patron: Richard H. Stuart - all patrons
Concealed handgun permits; sharing of information. Provides that information on concealed handgun permittees in the Virginia Criminal Information Network shall not be shared with law enforcement

VCDL Comments
This bill prohibits the Virginia State Police from providing Virginia concealed handgun permittee information to law enforcement in states that do not have a reciprocal licensing agreement with Virginia. This would prevent states that are hostile to gun ownership, such as Maryland, from going on .fishing trips. to find an excuse to arrest or harrass Virginia concealed handgun permit holders.

 

[geim druth]

This young man was charged after suffering two flat tires.

http://www.evannappen.com/uploads/1/0/8/0/1080251/m.r.appdecision.pdf

If the police that respond to your emergency find a firearm in the trunk, you will have trouble.

 

[geim druth]

Periodically our representatives in Trenton get hysterical and ban certain types of firearms and ammo. This leads to stupidities such as this:

http://www.evannappen.com/uploads/1/0/8/0/1080251/nappensgunlawquizfinal1.pdf

 

[Frank Ettin]

...Virginia is one of the states that shares CCP holder's information with other states too according to VCDL. We tried to get that changed this year, but the governor vetoed it....

Thank you for providing a link and citation for your story, but --

1. That's clearly not the event grampajack wrote about.
   
   
2. What does an event in Maryland and Virginia policies have to do with this thread? The OP is from North Carolina, he's interested in New Jersey.

This young man was charged after suffering two flat tires.

http://www.evannappen.com/uploads/1/0/8/0/1080251/m.r.appdecision.pdf

If the police that respond to your emergency find a firearm in the trunk, you will have trouble.

That is much more germane.

First, it's documented.

Second, it illustrates how the gun you think you so cleverly hid can nonetheless be discovered by the police.

 

[Scott7891]

Where and when did you read this? Provide a link or a citation.

People claim that they read or heard a lot of things. Such claims are worthless without documentation to back them up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/?page=all

Not just one person but several out-of-staters.

 

[xXxplosive]

Even if the LEO gets it wrong and your arrested anyway.....the cost of defending yourself here in court will likely strain the common man's finances....who needs that. The courts here already stated that your 2A rights are not guaranteed here in NJ......needs to be fixed.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

Having family in New Jersey (and New York) I occasionally have to go there whether I like it or not. When I do, the guns stay home. It's not worth the risk. It isn't right, but that's how it is. Leave the guns home, or don't go.