If we never had the 2nd Amendment, just how do you think the US would be different today?
Would we still have freedom of speech, of the Press? Etc.Etc.?
Would we still have freedom of speech, of the Press? Etc.Etc.?
NO 2nd Amendment, How would the US be different?
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people wouldnt argue about their rights bing infringed upon by the requirement of a backround check for purchasing or a permit for carrying....
I think there would be some similarities, like in the plains states, being more open. Due to the electorate out there.
In the more metropolitan areas, there would be complete bans in full effect, for ALL firearms.
And the states with huge metro areas, and vast rural areas (i.e. NY State) the good folks would be effected by the shiite bags in the city, and have a state wide ban due to the city's crime.
Penalties would be larger for crimes.
And we would have no avenue to debate the issue.
As a cop, it effects me less, but I would still be outraged.
In the more metropolitan areas, there would be complete bans in full effect, for ALL firearms.
And the states with huge metro areas, and vast rural areas (i.e. NY State) the good folks would be effected by the shiite bags in the city, and have a state wide ban due to the city's crime.
Penalties would be larger for crimes.
And we would have no avenue to debate the issue.
As a cop, it effects me less, but I would still be outraged.
To quote Ted Nugent " I don't NEED a document to explain to me that I have a right to defend myself and my liberty"
The founding documents of our Nation pre-suppose a Divine right to Life & Liberty. These, in turn, pre-suppose the right to defend our Life & Liberty.
Long story short the U.S. Constitution grants me nothing. It merely acknowledges rights I already have. If it never existed I still have a right to keep and bear arms
England would have reconquered us in the War of 1812 and would have forcibly disarmed everyone to ensure we could not revolt again. Then no one would have firearms. End of story.
Communism? Socialism? Totalitarianism? Fascism? Maoism?
Can't say for sure, but i'm fairly certain we wouldn't be a democracy.
Can't say for sure, but i'm fairly certain we wouldn't be a democracy.
Excuse me, I was reading another article with the word "democracy" in it and typed it here... lol
Yes, I meant republic (actually a constitutional republic I believe)
I don't think we'd have had our constitutional republic without the bill of rights since the states refused to ratify the constitution without it. Remember the original document DIDN'T have the BOR
I'd still have firearms.
So should you.
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.'" -- Martin Luther King Jr.
“Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison." -- Henry David Thoreau
If all we can rely upon to protect our liberty is an old piece of paper, we're in for a lot of trouble... Hell, I think we already have, and we already are.
So should you.
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.'" -- Martin Luther King Jr.
“Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison." -- Henry David Thoreau
If all we can rely upon to protect our liberty is an old piece of paper, we're in for a lot of trouble... Hell, I think we already have, and we already are.
Very different. I think that if there was no 2nd then there would be no bill of fights which means there would never been a revolution. Hard to say how things would be today.
We'd be China. Except without the billions of Chinese people running around.
Or worse, we'd be under the thumb of a Fred Phelps scale Religinazi.
Either way this would be a totalitarian state by now.
Or worse, we'd be under the thumb of a Fred Phelps scale Religinazi.
Either way this would be a totalitarian state by now.
don't think the militia's had much bearing on the war of 1812 the British empire was more interested in fighting Napoleon.
Pitchforks and torches!
Its too hard to say some countries do not have private ownership of firearms, and some countries have restrictive firearms ownership, hard to tell which side of the fence our forefather would have put us on.
Its too hard to say some countries do not have private ownership of firearms, and some countries have restrictive firearms ownership, hard to tell which side of the fence our forefather would have put us on.
It's like asking how chickens would be different without eggs, or men without women.
As a few have said - and said well - above, the country would not presently exist, or would not have existed for long after its conception, without the RKBA.
That said, I think it's deeper. As Rockwell1 mentioned, the document is neither the grantor nor the guarantor of the right. The right to self-defense - by any necessary means - predates any government, because it is a right we all have in the state of nature.
It's not only that the country - or the country as we know it - wouldn't exist today, etc.
The real answer is that, committed as the Founders were to individual liberty, there is no possible conception or notion of the United States that could ever exist or have existed in reality without at least a substantive RKBA. Having it on paper is moot, because the citizens of the United States would have the right regardless, or it would not be the United States.
As a few have said - and said well - above, the country would not presently exist, or would not have existed for long after its conception, without the RKBA.
That said, I think it's deeper. As Rockwell1 mentioned, the document is neither the grantor nor the guarantor of the right. The right to self-defense - by any necessary means - predates any government, because it is a right we all have in the state of nature.
It's not only that the country - or the country as we know it - wouldn't exist today, etc.
The real answer is that, committed as the Founders were to individual liberty, there is no possible conception or notion of the United States that could ever exist or have existed in reality without at least a substantive RKBA. Having it on paper is moot, because the citizens of the United States would have the right regardless, or it would not be the United States.
theheadhunter
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If the second amendment was ever taken away from us? Can you say UPRISING? i dont think gun owners would stand by and watch the government haul off there guns. It would be a revolutionary war only this time it wouldnt be north and south, it would possibly be you against you neighbors. And as ive always said "If Obama was the answer, it must have been a stupid question"
So, without the 1st Amendment we wouldn't have the right to speak out against our government or worship where we choose?
The Bill of Rights doesn't grant any rights but was to ensure that government won't infringe on our natural rights.
Without the 2nd most states would still have their own Constitutional protections of firearms.
The Bill of Rights doesn't grant any rights but was to ensure that government won't infringe on our natural rights.
Without the 2nd most states would still have their own Constitutional protections of firearms.
bang_bang
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There would be mass murders for elections to keep the other guy's voters from not voting. Organized crime would be our only protection. In that I mean all the mobsters from around the world. They would make a business out of keeping us alive, and eventually, we would want them to overthrow the government we can't, so they can instead farm us for their profit. Yea, that sounds about right.
Dark Skies
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We'd have had another pop at you and you'd all be spelling colour properly and saluting Her Majesty. 
And then when WW2 came along, and America wasn't there to save you from the Luftwaffe, you'd be speaking English with a German accent.
Seriously, we'd have stopped being America and would have been conquered by SOMEBODY by now. The ONLY reason the Japanese didn't invade American shores was their fear of our being armed.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)
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