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No Firearms signs in New Mexico

Discussion in 'Legal' started by captainofiron, Feb 2, 2011.

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  1. captainofiron

    captainofiron Member

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    Recently I have been noticing man "No Concealed Carry" and "No Firearms" signs going up all over here in Las Cruces

    It is a bit disconcerting to say the least.

    I am curious as to what these signs mean in terms of legality and enforcement.

    This sign is posted on the entrance to the Electric company
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    This sign is in an obscure corner of the waiting room at the Texas Roadhouse
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    And finally, this sign is in the corner of the entryway of the Liquor section of the Walgreens, and not visible until you leave
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    As you can see the signs refer to either NMAC 10.8.2.16 (E) or 30-7-3

    Anybody know the legality? I cant seem to find a good link to read these paragraphs

    The only thing I found was a draft of the 10.8 that had many errors in grammar, spelling, and apparently had "track changes" left on

    Basically what I am trying to find out, is if I walk into a place that has one of these signs hidden away in a corner, can I get into problems?
     
  2. TexasRifleman

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    Document here:

    http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmac/parts/title10/10.008.0002.htm

    Text of .16

    Not sure what the actual crime would be (if any), but it's at least against the Administrative code.
     
  3. captainofiron

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    Thanks

    the New Mexico law always confuses me because it seems to point to so many different places which say seems to say nothing in so many words

    In the past people have pointed me to

    NMSA 1978 Section 29-19-12.C, 30-14-6, 30-7-3 and of course 10.8.2.16

    So basically there are no rules for what the sign must look like in Texas, and the private property owner can hide the sign away in the corner. Great
     
  4. bobbarker

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    http://www.handgunlaw.us does a great job of breaking stuff like this down by state. Looks like you already got your answer, but if you haven't checked out this site, it's a great resource for checking any CC questions you have about your state (or any other, for that matter.) I like to go in and periodically read the stuff about my state, as they update any time there is necessity, and recently underwent a huge overhaul. Like I said, worth a look, anyways.
     
  5. JellyJar

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    I believe I have the answer. New Mexico Statues Title 10 Chapter Chapter 8 Part 2.27 states that:

    http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmac/parts/title10/10.008.0002.htm

    Well, NMSA 1978 Section 30-14-6 is the NW law that governs no trespassing notice; sign contents; posting and such. That statue states that:

    NM 30-14.1.1 states that:

    In other words if the signs are not in a conspicuous place and/or at the entrances of businesses and of a certain size then they are apparently not legal.

    Please note that I am not a lawyer so I would just not go to any place that I know is posted in anyway just to be on the safe side.

    Take Care

    JJ

    Edit: Here is the last link http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/FD/ForestMgt/LE/Law.htm
     
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  6. Harley Quinn

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    I think you are going to see more of that in all states that have the ability to carry ccw...One thing to carry and have in Vehicle another to go into private property and not expect some sort of demand by those who are in control...

    It makes sense to me about responsibility and not wanting to be sued down the road for a problem concerning AD or ND on premise, of private property...

    Your rights, do not trump others rights:D
     
  7. sansone

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    las cruces is on the border with mexico. Recently I was returning from there to my property in alamogordo and got surprised by a border patrol inspection. They had the road blocked and searched my truck. Everybody coming up from las cruces got this treatment, but not the other direction.. back on topic, maybe there is trouble in that town. Still I would want to CC regardless of the sign. Another reason for me to make certain my cc weapon is very concealed
     
  8. JellyJar

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    After making my post above I went back and looked at the sign in the first picture in the OP's orginal post. That sign references 10.8.2.16 (E). Well here is that part of the statue:

    I think the owner of that store is confused He really meant part F!

    I am unsure if the part in my first post about posting in conspicuous places, applies here but I don't see how it doesn't. After all I don't see any part of 10.8.2 that proscribes any penalty for carrying where posted.

    Again I am not a lawyer. Perhaps the OP should consult one.
     
  9. RobXD9

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    The posted sign at Texas Roadhouse is required for restaurants which served alcohol.

    Now that the law has changed to allow carry in beer/wine licensed establishment we're not sure what exactly is required as far as posting.

    At this time there's no sign required on the door of restaurants with a full liquor license.

    The new legislation proposed in Santa Fe this month would end all of that however.
     
  10. Joe in fla

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    When they first passed CC here in Florida back in the 1980s a lot of stores had those signs up but I don't know of a single one that's still posted. I guess their gun owning customers made a believer out of them or else they realized that there was nothing to fear. I expect that they'll disappear in NM before long too.
     
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