bdickens
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Cops, like soldiers, are never really completely "off duty." You are a soldier (cop) 24/7/365.
No guns and the police
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Sign says no loaded weapons!
Having been to that same Fair Grounds gun show on Hwy; 50 a couple of dozen times, and never having left my pistol in the Jeep, I can say, the sign says no loaded weapons, "Do you have a pistol" is the question, jack the slide back, insert tie, clip it off, back in holster (ammo is left in the vehicle)
The area is not a safe area, it is in, or next to Pine Hills (nicknamed Crime Hills!) no place to leave a nice Glock 19 in a vehicle, with a couple of hundred other vehicles, outside a gun show.
So before in the usual fashion of our experts they gear up to argue, a big percentage of the people in the line up are carrying guns in their hands, or slung on the shoulder, for sale!
Having been to that same Fair Grounds gun show on Hwy; 50 a couple of dozen times, and never having left my pistol in the Jeep, I can say, the sign says no loaded weapons, "Do you have a pistol" is the question, jack the slide back, insert tie, clip it off, back in holster (ammo is left in the vehicle)
The area is not a safe area, it is in, or next to Pine Hills (nicknamed Crime Hills!) no place to leave a nice Glock 19 in a vehicle, with a couple of hundred other vehicles, outside a gun show.
So before in the usual fashion of our experts they gear up to argue, a big percentage of the people in the line up are carrying guns in their hands, or slung on the shoulder, for sale!
divemedic
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Not exactly accurate. Can a cop drink on duty? Off duty? Is he on the clock? Off the clock? the law even recognizes the difference:
A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
The original question was where does a cop, not acting in his official capacity, get the legal authority to force you into a search, and is it illegal to lie and just tell him you are unarmed, even if you have a concealed weapon?
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Old Guy summed it up nicely. Enough of the 'round and 'round. This ain't Satiddy nite circle-track racin'.
midnights
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actually even on duty during a normal shift there are few times when a search actually 100% complies with the guidelines which is why I mentioned the officers ability to articulate the why's for his actions. You do not just go around making things up- you just have to be able to explain your action with justification
perhaps you consider the fact that what a book, attorney will tell you or what you see on TV may not be nearly as easy to complete in court and you will need alot of help from a stupid officer. I do know the law very well and how and when to apply what is needed. I will be the first to agree there is liability when a stupid officer steps way out of line but for the average gray area and an officer with more than a few brain cells your odds are VERY LOW. I work for a large agency and have seen the stupid and the smart. I have seen officers have huge judgments against them 250K+ but in those cases every officer I know would have told you in advance they were screwed.
Fact is if the gray area were removed and every law as written were to be followed we (society) would be screwed even more than we are now. The vast majority of officers working extra duty are just trying to make ends meet and are not going to ever bother with you in any way.
Ed N.
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"The vast majority of officers working extra duty are just trying to make ends meet and are not going to ever bother with you in any way."
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Exactly what I said if you read my entire post.
Any officer who, while working for a private employer such as a gun show, would conduct an unjustified search most certainly is among the stupid you mention.
You say you work for a large agency. Ever seen an officer stupid enough to do what's been described in this scenario?
Remember - we're not talking about an officer responding to a criminal complaint. We're talking about a guy picking up some extra money from a private employer. I wouldn't even go through his department; I'd take action against the private employer and against the officer.
But it ain't never happened and I feel sure it ain't gonna happen. Like I said; this one isn't worth worrying about. I'll ignore the sign, lie to the cop (if any), and go about my business.
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Exactly what I said if you read my entire post.
Any officer who, while working for a private employer such as a gun show, would conduct an unjustified search most certainly is among the stupid you mention.
You say you work for a large agency. Ever seen an officer stupid enough to do what's been described in this scenario?
Remember - we're not talking about an officer responding to a criminal complaint. We're talking about a guy picking up some extra money from a private employer. I wouldn't even go through his department; I'd take action against the private employer and against the officer.
But it ain't never happened and I feel sure it ain't gonna happen. Like I said; this one isn't worth worrying about. I'll ignore the sign, lie to the cop (if any), and go about my business.
midnights
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well thats an easy one--- YES, I have seen them stupid enough
Ed N.
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"Many officers are hired at gun shows because they ARE police officers. "
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Yeah - so what? Who cares if they ARE cops?
Somehow I doubt arrests are a common thing at gun shows. Gun enthusiasts tend to have squeaky clean records.
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Yeah - so what? Who cares if they ARE cops?
Somehow I doubt arrests are a common thing at gun shows. Gun enthusiasts tend to have squeaky clean records.
Thernlund
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Ed N. said:
Tend to?
They pretty much have to, or it's "No soup for you!".
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