I took my grandmother to get a flu shot the other day and on the doors to the Dr.'s office, which is on hospital property, I noticed a large no guns sign. I remember carrying in a different hospital, Its possible I missed the sign though. What are hospitals so worried about?
No guns in hospitals.
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Standing Wolf
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Losing the illusion of control. I'm sure it's never occurred to most hospital administrators criminals merely ignore their signs.
I think it used to be illegal in Texas for some reason but now they have to post 30.06 signs just like everyone else if they want to legally keep guns out. The hospital that my wife often works at has some no guns sign out front but references some law that I'm sure is outdated...perhaps the one that used to keep out CHL guns. I ignore it.
brad cook
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Chupacabra
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Concealed is concealed.
SapperLeader
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Last January my grandfather had a leg amputated due to diabetes and was hospitalized through the begining of March. Virginia doesnt forbid carry in hospitals, so there is no law against it. The hospital does have a very nice picture of a firearm with a line through it. I was escorting my 71 year old grandmother to visit her husband several times a week. She shuffles everywhere, and wears a obscene amount of expensive accessories, and carries cash. She screams out "
im defensless and a victim". Now, I like to look after my family, so do you think I followed Virginia Law, or the hospitals nice pictorial advice in regards to my carrying habits
. If its not illegal, concealed means concealed.
im defensless and a victim". Now, I like to look after my family, so do you think I followed Virginia Law, or the hospitals nice pictorial advice in regards to my carrying habits
. If its not illegal, concealed means concealed.Hkmp5sd
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As far as Florida does...
It is not prohibited to carry a firearm in a hospital and the "no guns" signs don't mean anything.
It is not prohibited to carry a firearm in a hospital and the "no guns" signs don't mean anything.
They wont even let me leave old gun magazines in the racks around the hospital here. Lasst time I did it, they detailed a woman to go around after me and scoop out the magzines. I ran into her as I was coming down from the top floor and she was emptying the rack by the elevator. Guess they want us to all be comatose reading year old copies of the Rotarian, which seems to be the only approved magazine based on whats in the racks.
Pilgrim
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Seeing that gang drive by shootings are such an inefficient way of eliminating competition, gang shooters have been known to go to the hospital to finish off the wounded. A "No Guns" sign is the hospital's way of protecting the wounded gang member.
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Lone_Gunman
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Doctors don't make the administrative rules of the hospital.
I doubt any doctor was asked about the policy before it was created.
Had a very interesting conversation with the security dept. of a local hospital a couple of weeks ago.
Took my wife there for 3 days of tests and did not see the requisite signs to ban firearms. TN law requires a sign at any entrance used by the general public. I decided as a courtesy to check with security to make sure I hadn't missed something. After all, every other hospital in this part of the state has the signs conspicuously posted. (Attn: BGs, most West TN hospitals are free-fire zones for you.)
Security told me that management doesn't want to give the impression that they are in a bad area and that the hospital's lawyer opined that if they make an announcement over the PA system periodically that guns are prohibited, that would meet the requirements. We both had a good laugh over that. Worse yet, the security people are not allowed to carry either as a function of their jobs or their own personal CCWs. If a situation arises necessitating the use of a firearm, they are instructed to call the local police.
Bottom line: ok to carry there, don't alarm the sheeple, and if anyone questions me, tell them that ____ said it was ok and check with them (protecting my source). Turns out as well that the security person and I are both big 10mm auto fans and will be getting together to shoot.
BTW, regarding liberal doctors, one of my best friends is a neurosurgeon, very conservative, loves guns and shooting and a real hot-shot rock and roll guitar player. So much for stereotypes.
Took my wife there for 3 days of tests and did not see the requisite signs to ban firearms. TN law requires a sign at any entrance used by the general public. I decided as a courtesy to check with security to make sure I hadn't missed something. After all, every other hospital in this part of the state has the signs conspicuously posted. (Attn: BGs, most West TN hospitals are free-fire zones for you.)
Security told me that management doesn't want to give the impression that they are in a bad area and that the hospital's lawyer opined that if they make an announcement over the PA system periodically that guns are prohibited, that would meet the requirements. We both had a good laugh over that. Worse yet, the security people are not allowed to carry either as a function of their jobs or their own personal CCWs. If a situation arises necessitating the use of a firearm, they are instructed to call the local police.
Bottom line: ok to carry there, don't alarm the sheeple, and if anyone questions me, tell them that ____ said it was ok and check with them (protecting my source). Turns out as well that the security person and I are both big 10mm auto fans and will be getting together to shoot.
BTW, regarding liberal doctors, one of my best friends is a neurosurgeon, very conservative, loves guns and shooting and a real hot-shot rock and roll guitar player. So much for stereotypes.
Vermont Guy
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"Any hospital accessible by the public" is a prohibited place in Missouri.
I dont know where all these liberal doctors are, but not in the hospitals I've been to/in. Sometimes I think that there is an automatic assumption that advanced degree = liberal, and that hasnt been my experience.
Let me preface further by stating that I worked my way thru school in the security unit of a major metropolitan hospital and was assigned the night shift on weekends in the ED. I got into far more confrontations per hour worked there than I ever did later as a cop.
One issue with guns in hospitals is their security. There are just too many thefts of personal property that if a patient were to come in with a gun they would not be able to keep it secured, unless it was surrendered and put in a safe for safekeeping. We used to do this as a courtesy for cops who came in injured on duty. If they had to go to xray or the like we would either have one of their supervisors take the gun or secure it for them at security. Some hospitals have lockers just for this in the ED
Secondly, there are plenty of weapons and conflicts in hospitals as it is. People tend to be emotionally charged up. By banning weapons it gives the administration a tool for managing crisis. An agitated person with a gun who declines to settle can be asked to leave, or if it comes to it arrested for trespassing.
I dont agree with it but I understand why many hospitals are this way.
I am also a little leery of this cavalier "concealed is concealed" attitude. It is probably illegal and indicative of a lack of respect for A) the law and B) the rights of the grantor of a privilege. Most hospitals are private - you have no intrinsic "right" to be there. Purposefully ignoring a request of the host is elitist and just plain rude. If you dont like their rules, dont go. But then I dont pee in people's swimming pools either - the principle is the same.
Let me preface further by stating that I worked my way thru school in the security unit of a major metropolitan hospital and was assigned the night shift on weekends in the ED. I got into far more confrontations per hour worked there than I ever did later as a cop.
One issue with guns in hospitals is their security. There are just too many thefts of personal property that if a patient were to come in with a gun they would not be able to keep it secured, unless it was surrendered and put in a safe for safekeeping. We used to do this as a courtesy for cops who came in injured on duty. If they had to go to xray or the like we would either have one of their supervisors take the gun or secure it for them at security. Some hospitals have lockers just for this in the ED
Secondly, there are plenty of weapons and conflicts in hospitals as it is. People tend to be emotionally charged up. By banning weapons it gives the administration a tool for managing crisis. An agitated person with a gun who declines to settle can be asked to leave, or if it comes to it arrested for trespassing.
I dont agree with it but I understand why many hospitals are this way.
I am also a little leery of this cavalier "concealed is concealed" attitude. It is probably illegal and indicative of a lack of respect for A) the law and B) the rights of the grantor of a privilege. Most hospitals are private - you have no intrinsic "right" to be there. Purposefully ignoring a request of the host is elitist and just plain rude. If you dont like their rules, dont go. But then I dont pee in people's swimming pools either - the principle is the same.
WARNING: tongue - in- cheek comment.
Have you had many interactions with the medical community lately? I have. I'm not sure I even trust myself with a gun around those folks.
If Osama had blown up an HMO or insurance comapny...he'd probably be ahead in the presidential polls about now.
Have you had many interactions with the medical community lately? I have. I'm not sure I even trust myself with a gun around those folks.
If Osama had blown up an HMO or insurance comapny...he'd probably be ahead in the presidential polls about now.
S Roper
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"Sorta-kinda hard to hide a gun when you are being Xrayed, Cat scanned, Nuclear Med imaged ( My personal favorite ) or what not."
Plus it could be rather dangerous in an MRI...
Plus it could be rather dangerous in an MRI...
No, I haven't seen any 30.06 postings that I can recall around Waco. Hillcrest is definitely not posted 30.06 at the main entrance although as I mentioned they do have some outdated posting. I haven't used any other entrances there. I'll try to remember to let you know if I come across any others. Do the same for me.
Too bad Fish Pond clinic is posted...that's my clinic...although I haven't been there yet. I think S&W posts almost all of their buildings unfortunately.
brad cook
Mrs. Armoredman
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They have signs in the hospital I worked at. When I had to go and spend the night in the hospital in June of 2000 My hubby had a 32 cal in the small of his back and he slept on the father cot all night long. He said he back felt pretty good the next morning. It was nice to see him smile.
Just thought I would share.
Just thought I would share.
Andrew Rothman
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Yawn.
1. Illegal is one thing. Ignoring a stupid and ill-conceived policy is quite another. In most states, I think, it's just policy.
See #1, above.
2. Self defense is a human right. Are you new here?
3. Yeah, and with most of our health insurance (for those of us lucky enough to have it), we don't have any stinkin' choice which hospital we visit.
4. Huh?
5. Nope. "Little white lies" are very valid means of smoothing social situations. Keeping your concealed weapon concealed in no way shows rudeness to your "host."
See #3, above.
6. The principle is completely different. Peeing in a swimming pool actually has a detrimental effect on swimmers. Carrying concealed has no negative impact on your "host" -- and could have a very positive effect.
commygun
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I think alot of it has to do with the risk management/CYA culture imposed
on hospitals by government regulatiions and accrediting agencies and
insurers. Hospitals spend a huge amount of time and money and generate
a ton of paperwork that has little or nothing to do with actual healthcare.
All bases must appear to be covered whether they actually are or not.
on hospitals by government regulatiions and accrediting agencies and
insurers. Hospitals spend a huge amount of time and money and generate
a ton of paperwork that has little or nothing to do with actual healthcare.
All bases must appear to be covered whether they actually are or not.
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